Luigi Mangione has drawn lots of defenders on social media. That's a challenge for platforms when it comes to moderation — and for users.
  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    1382·
    7 days ago

    censorship, not moderation. and of course free speech only applies to enabling racism and such

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        2711·
        7 days ago

        And it doesn’t always apply to governments. The Lemmy.world server is in The Netherlands. It’s illegal in The Netherlands to threaten violence. So posts threatening violence are deleted so that Lemmy.world can stick around.

        This makes some people who feel like they should be allowed to say whatever they want, wherever they want angry at us moderators, but we like Lemmy.world and they don’t have to be here if they don’t want to. Unfortunately, some people have a massive sense of entitlement, as the ban evader in World News who told me that he shall not be censored found out the hard way this morning.

        Sorry, your right to threaten to kill someone is less important to me than Lemmy.world sticking around. There are other Lemmy servers that might allow it, but this one doesn’t for legal reasons.

        • Saleh@feddit.org
          5·
          7 days ago

          The government claims a monopoly on violence and the violence of the government is supposed to be well regulated and democratically legitimated.

          However this only works, if there is actual checks and balances and the question whether people are held accountable to their crimes does not depend on their income, net worth or connections.

  • Scrollone@feddit.it
    1071·
    7 days ago

    Why are they removing those posts? Luigi Mangione is innocent until proven guilty.

    • Saleh@feddit.org
      30·
      7 days ago

      Let’s be real though. People are not sympathetic with Luigi because they believe he is innocent. They are sympathetic with him, because they believe he killed the mass murderer CEO Brian Thompson. If he is found innocent and another suspect is produced, Luigi would get sympathy for being wrongfully persecuted and the other suspect would get sympathy for killing the mass murderer CEO Brian Thompson.

      Now the question is, why sympathy towards killing a mass murderer is seen as a problem, but being a mass murderer in the way Brian Thompson was is not only accepted, but for mainstream media apparently making him particularly deserving of empathy.

      The answer is very obvious, but you won’t read it in any of the mainstream media outlets. Because the rich and powerful are fighting a class war against everyone else and the mainstream media is representing the class interests of the rich and powerful, even as the middle class income article writer has his family murdered by the very same people who he tries to invoke empathy for.

      The problem with Luigi is not that people are sympathetic towards violence. If the violence is racist or bigoted, if dozens of school children are murdered this is fine. It is not threatening the power of the ruling class. But people realizing that the power of the ruling class is not based on merit, but on brutality, deception and scrupulousness and can easily be toppled by an organized population, that is a gigantic threat.

      And that is why the very same people that would demand for precision in talking about suspects of corruption or rich and famous criminals to always be considered innocent until proven guilty, will quickly toss this principle aside in cases like Luigis.

      • zeroday@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        14·
        7 days ago

        Hi! I’m one of those people who has sympathy for Luigi because he did it. I think the deaths of CEOs like Thompson, billionaires, etc are necessary to create any sort of systemic change that will alleviate the suffering of the working class. It’s not because he’s hot like mainstream news seems to think, but because I’m tired of being the punching bag of the rich in this class war that we’ve all been thrust into, and because Luigi fought back.

        It’s also interesting that the news is saying Luigi is hot and that’s why people support him, when it’s more the other way around and people find him hot because he shot Thompson.

  • pjwestin@lemmy.world
    67·
    7 days ago

    It’s very interesting that pro-Luigi posts are immediately and universally censored while pro-Jan. 6th posts are given a lot more leeway. Both were attacks on powerful members of the ruling class, but only one group of sympathizers is being completely shut down. It’s tempting to think that it’s because tech billionaires have a right-wing bias, but I actually think it’s worse than that. I think it’s because the January 6th riots represented a partisan divide, while Luigi’s (alleged) actions have received bipartisan sympathy. Apparently, violence and terrorism are acceptable unless they lead to class solidarity.

    • SoJB@lemmy.mlEnglish
      116·
      7 days ago

      Can you even fucking imagine if this was about China? The liberal Reddit Lemmitors would be frothing at the mouth about The Great Evil. Meanwhile it’s just another boring article in the freest greatest nation in the world.

  • ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org
    672·
    7 days ago

    Let’s keep posting about Brian Thompson, and every other billionaire, being a mass murderer. That’s all the billionaire class is. Criminals, grifters, less than human murderers protected by the ruling class. US “democracy” working as intended.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    7 days ago

    its only challenging to moderate because corporate media is struggling to silence the majority without making it look like they are silencing the majority and provoking outrage towards them and their CEOs.