The ICJ also ordered Hamas to release all hostages, but never mind that…
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organization, under international sanctions. Nobody expects them to bow to UN pressure.
Israel is supposedly a responsible and law abiding nation state, with diplomatic ties, international recognition, and is expected to behave according to international law.
If you want equal treatment that can be done, the UN is repeatedly tired of Israel’s behavior
Does anyone here actually consider Hamas anything other than a terrorist organization that got voted in in 2007 and then shut down election?
Did anyone here actually believe that Hamas were ever the good guys?
We used to think the Israelis weren’t on the same page, and we hope that they will eventually.
As much as we hate them right now, most of us still believe that they might be able to come back.
TLDR: False equivalency
As much as we hate them right now, most of us still believe that they might be able to come back.
The Allies firebombed 100.000s of Germans to break the resistance. Are you suggesting Israel turns up the heat?
What does that have to do with what I said?
Surely you’re not going to what about things to try and make a false equivalency?
“Others did bad things in the past, that means we can do it now”
It also pointed out that the Israeli authorities denied access to 56% of humanitarian aid missions planned for northern Gaza (34 out of 61) and 25% of missions planned for the middle area (28 out of 114) in January. Since 26 January the number of trucks allowed to enter Gaza, an inadequate metric, never exceeded 218 and was typically below 150.
Waiting for the Zionists in the comments to explain how this is all Egypt or Hamas’ fault somehow
Don’t forget the right wing protesters who are preventing humanitarian aid to reach Gaza, which the Israeli government does very little about.
Seriously one would assume that since they are under investigation by the ICJ for committing of genocide in Gaza, Israeli authorities will be a little bit more concerned with their actions and public image, but they seem to act with impunity and believe they will get another pass by the western governments.
We sanctioned the shit out of Russia and did absolutely nothing here.
FYI most protestors on the border are either family of current Hamas hostages or people who were dislocated due to the war.
Dislocated and living in hotels, having access to food, clean water, healthcare.
Shall we talk about the dislocated Gazans who are living in makeshift tents, have no food, water, electricity or access to healthcare?
Or do you want to comment out on the fact that Israeli authorities are not permitting delivery of tent poles because those poles can be used as weapons? Imagine fighting tanks with tent poles… Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/civilians-or-hamas-dual-use-issue-complicates-gaza-aid-efforts-2024-01-05/
Isn’t it nice that a government takes care of its citizens?
The Gazans should complain to their elected government who not only failed to provide them security (see https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-were-built-protect-hamas-fighters-not), but also is the root cause of their suffering.
Regarding your second point - it’s a military controlled area, if the military concludes that something is banned in that area due to its abuse by a terrorist group that’s the way it should be, especially given the history of weaponization of dual use materials by this group (https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA).
I agree. It sucks that they let terrorists excavate tunnels under their three cities and then use them to launch a mass shooting of civilians and first responders after decades of rocket attacks and suicide bombings, but they did. Probably should have violently overthrown Hamas instead of enabling it at all costs.
And how is starving more than 2 Millions innocent, and mind you a big chunk of those are underage kids, helping their cause?
And Israel can easily prevent this, but they simply don’t care about Palestinians, who they are actively trying to dehumanize.
Yeah, go ahead and tell the Israeli Police/Army, who are most likely also a first/second circle of people who got personally affected by the acts of October 7th to forcibly evacuate people who are heart broken by the fact that their relatives are in a terror tunnel in Gaza, and the country which they live in and is supposed to get them out are instead sending aid which has been proven to be stolen by the same terrorists who have their relatives.
When this absurd theater of life interacts with reality not everything is that simple to achieve.
So what’s your solution, let’s leave all Palestinians die of hunger?
And again to reiterate, Hamas might have killed a bit less than 1000 civilians, but IDF has killed 20 times more. They are also responsible for the destruction of almost half the civilian infrastructure there, the destruction of civilian homes, agricultural land, mass starvation, has created dire humanitarian catastrophe, damaged hospitals, killed paramedics, kids, manage to turn this war the deadliest for journalists in modern history, committed numerous war crimes, are investigated by the ICJ for committing genocide, etc. and you still defend them?
Shall we also mention that you managed to frustrate greatly even your closest ally the US, who is getting more annoyed with you by the day and now you are planning to attack Rafah, where more than half of the population of Gaza is sheltering, pushing them more to the abyss of despair.
And these are indisputable FACTS.
Hamas might have killed a bit less than 1000 civilians, but IDF has killed 20 times more
Notice how you know the exact civilian vs combatant numbers for the Israeli side but not for the Palestinians. IDF claims a 7-9k dead combatants, so that’s an almost 2:1 ratio, which is unheard of especially in this dense urban fighting while Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties.
They are also responsible for the destruction of almost half the civilian infrastructure there, the destruction of civilian homes, agricultural land, mass starvation, has created dire humanitarian catastrophe, damaged hospitals, killed paramedics, kids, manage to turn this war the deadliest for journalists in modern history, committed numerous war crimes
Yeah, all of that is on Hamas
and you still defend them?
Israel is the only side who had actually strived for peace over the years, that enthusiasm for peace has been tested to the extreme and unfortunately dwindled for obvious reasons, but even after the horrific events of October 7th you can still find voices calling for a two state solution. There was no such attempts for peace from the Palestinians, on the contrary - just more missiles and terror attacks for every attempt at a permanent settlement of the conflict. So, yeah, of course I defend them.
Shall we also mention that you managed to frustrate greatly even your closest ally the US, who is getting more annoyed with you by the day and now you are planning to attack Rafah, where more than half of the population of Gaza is sheltering, pushing them more to the abyss of despair.
Hamas is an obstacle to peace and must be disabled, they can stop this war now if they wanted by releasing the man, woman, children and babies (!) they currently hold captive, and surrender. If they don’t do that Israel had no other viable course of action to get rid of this threat, hopefully with as little civilian casualties as possible.
And these are indisputable FACTS.
Some facts, some unsubstantiated propaganda, some opinions
What from what I said is unsubstantiated propaganda?
Because these are all facts that can be easily confirmed with a simple google search from sources of Reuters, AP, etc.
Saying that all the civilian casualties, destroyed infrastructure, homes, hospitals, roads are Hamas fault is the most childish and one sided thing you can say.
I think arguing with you is a waste of time, as you seem to be extremely brainwashed.
Fuck those poor, helpless, blockaded, starving civilians that have been bombed from their homes, if we give them water/food/power/ceasefire it goes to Hamas
Your bitterness and hatred will just continue the cycle of violence. I hope you do better, but history has shown that we don’t. Look beyond yourself and your pain, and maybe ask why
Fuck those poor, helpless, blockaded, starving civilians that have been bombed from their homes, if we give them water/food/power/ceasefire it goes to Hamas
Where did I say that, why do you misquoted me?
You replied to a commenter pointing out that a million plus civilians are starving to death, with “WHAT ABOUT THE ISRAELI POLICE???”
Everyone except the most hardcore anti-semites was completely horrified on Oct 7-9. Then the IDF began its bombing campaign, and here we are today, quibbling over which hospital is okay to blow up, or how much the Israelis should be allowed to starve the Gazan
Just like the Global War on Terror, the crimes done by America dominate the discussions and history- 9/11 and the civilian deaths is acknowledged as the casus belli but the overreaction is our legacy
So you just proved how racism works. When the suffering of 100 Israelis > suffering of 2M + Palestinians.
That’s not racism, that’s just your interpretation of these events. All I did was to correct the commenter about the identity of those protesting.
I doubt you would do anything different if you would be in their shoes.
They’ll just downvote you. They have no arguments at all.
Remember when their propaganda went into overdrive when they hit a hospital and blamed Hamas? Then they blew up all 36 hospitals and just shrugged.
Remember when they kept yapping about the Hamas command centre under the Al Shifa hospital? The hospital they’ve held for over two months now and have provided exactly zero proof that their statements were correct.
Zero proof that you accept.
They’ve provided photos, videos, and have let journalists tour.
That’s more than zero.
Hard to take you seriously when you’re so blatantly wrong/ignorant.
They have a report due to the ICJ February 23rd. I’ll bet it contains some evidence.
No you don’t get it Hamas lost a lot of Hamas due to Israel’s super targeted military response and as a result they need flour to make more Hamas. Israel is cutting off Hamas’s Hamas supply and it’s not a war crime because human shields.
My favorite was everyone talking about these huge fuel reserves and how they knew they had them.
Yet no one ever blew those sons of bitches up
Wait, so you want Israel to bomb fuel tanks in tunnels hidden beneath civilian buildings? Are you Ben-Gvir?
