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- cross-posted to:
- technology@beehaw.org
- reddit@lemmy.world
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Here’s the VP of Reddit’s community cited in the article, Laura Nestler, preaching super engagement from a platforms most fanatical users to power content for the 90%.
She suggests, intrinsic motivators such as “autonomy”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUMW6Ovf6o
She was at Yelp prior, which if you want to look at a steaming pile of a wasted company, man give reddit 5-10 years.
I’m not surprised. I’m on this site because I’m sick of being banned on reddit for thinking wrong.
And this is where you went? This is literally Reddit’s bias taken to the level of hyperbole. The extremism groupthink here is the primary reason it hasn’t and likely will never go mainstream.
Uhm, the worldnews subreddit is literally the most astroturfed online community I have ever seen in my entire life. Lemmy isn’t great because it still has Redditors on it, but it’s still nowhere near as bad as Reddit.
What? Where have you been that you have this kind of opinion? It’s basically the same as reddit: You do have your bubbles, you do have open minded communities, you also have closed minded communities. Your experience is therefore dependend on where you go.
For example: Joining a vegan server to say “meat is great” will lead to a shitshow. But that’s not supprising and it’s not because Lemmy per se harbors militant people.
fuck u/spez
Lack of imagination.
Mods can still dump 10k trash messages in a sub making it unusable. (Or smart messages in the case of most subreddit who are trash anyway).
Set-up automoderator with rules reventing anyone below 5 billions karma to participate.
Ban everyone.
I’m sure there are a lot of other options.
If your subreddit is big enough and you do anything disruptive they’ll just take your mod powers away and give them to someone else who won’t disrupt it.
The best thing to do is either over or under moderate the subreddit in a way that seems legitimate but leads to the usefulness of the community dying off while also migrating the most useful content off the subreddit.
I just checked and theyve banned my private subreddit for lack of moderation
…we cannot allow actions that deliberately cause harm
Seems like that’s about the only actions Reddit execs have taken over the last several years. Glad I left when I did.
My account was banned because I kept reporting people and it was easier to get rid of the complainer than it was all the bigots she was complaining about… but… now I feel very “You can’t fire me, I quit” about it
This is not a smart choice, they do know that the alternative to peaceful protests like this is violent protest right? They want to challenge that or do they think it won’t be done because it’s “illegal”, that didn’t stop these guys now did it?
It happens in the real world too.
In the positive cases the local police force and / or military manages to convince the government that it is a non-supportable act and nothing happens. In the bad cases it results in government officials getting lynched in the end.
Some people point blank refuse to learn from history, no matter how many times it is repeated.
The same day Nestler and I talked, for example, she said that she had spoken about the changes with Reddit’s mod council, which has about 160 moderators.
Wow. So many power-hungry people in one room.
Great username 😂
Reddit mods are the blue sludge in the porta potty tank, not a “council”.
if i post or comment on reddit, anything at all, my account will be suspended instantly. i think they have black listed my ISP or maybe my entire country. i can appeal the suspension every day but nobody will read it. i literally can’t use reddit.
What country is that? I’m curious if they’re also racists.
it’s obviously not racism. don’t be a clown.
it’s laziness and incompetence. it’s a huge problem for many smaller countries outside the western world. you are blocked from using various services across the internet constantly. they want to filter malicious traffic, and they don’t have many users from your country, so they blacklist the entire ASN.
the infuriating thing about Reddit is that they have an appeals process, and they’re just ignoring all of the appeals. it is widely known that appealing a suspension never does anything. it’s been this way for years.
This is a dumb argument. If they banned Finland it’s OK but if they banned Congo they’re racists?
Obviously. Stupid sexy Finns.
Ugh reddit mod community makes me so angry… Glad I left that shithole
I’m also glad too. I just sign up and I’m currently looking for the alternative reddit communities here on lemmy.
just ask for them on !lemmy411@lemmy.ca they will find those subs for you
You know what’s not impossible? Leaving that shit hole and never coming back.
And moving to a different, more decentralized shithole?
Lemmy has the same power tripping admins and mods, just more of them and each with a new and unique bias. You don’t hate AI? Ban. You acknowledge certain genocide? Ban. You made fun of my typo? Ban.
Unlike the reddit, you can always make your own instance and host your own communities and nobody will ever ban you. That’s the whole point of being distributed.
You did not make fun of my typo? Believe it or not, also ban.
That’s not a good method though on it’s own, there needs to be effort to undermine them. And since they don’t want to do peaceful protests, the only option left are the more violent and less legal ones. The ones that compromise their platform and its data.
True but how do you get the message out when they control the media?
It’s possible but reddit isn’t the only one looking for engagement, so are individual users. If a site has more users, it has more engagement and content. It is also not impossible to drop the lemmy name when you do go back there to make people aware of the alternative.
My thought exactly. They can always do like me and nope the fuck out of there.
I left and joined Lemmy. After a couple of months of being flooded by politics in /c/memes, actually it’s everywhere, and very little new content I started going back. Now I doomscroll both. I usually head to reddit after a couple of posts which portray me as a fascist because I’m not a Marxist.
It just occurred to me that convincing someone of leaving a social media site is a lot like convincing someone to leave a big city.
They have friends there and have grown accustomed to the vibrant and diverse activities, but realistically nothing they do or have there can’t be replicated in a smaller town, a smaller media site.
They’re liable to put up with a lot of shit to stay with their community, but eventually people get pushed out and find greener pastures and a quiet space for themselves elsewhere. At least, that’s what I attribute to what I perceive to be a higher average age on the fediverse.
I’m too old to find the constant stimulation and activity attractive anymore, and I much prefer the freedom to move around and be choosy about my media choices.
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that’s auto-moderation for you, really gives high hopes for the people claiming automated is the future.
Lemmy doesn’t even have an automod last I knew. And if there is now, and it’s anything like the Reddit one, it’s just regex. You can’t really do much more than pattern matching with regex.
I don’t get why people don’t just leave
because other people haven’t left yet
This was the last straw for me, running Redact right now.
I had to laugh when I got banned from a sub because I used redact.
so many leaders are forgetting what the point of protests is. yes, protests are annoying if you’re a leader. but they’re better than the alternative. that’s the whole point.
People haven’t been using the alternative, and that’s the problem. Reddit and tech giants have grown complicit. They do not believe people would do it to them, or they think they could survive thousands of people trying to do it to them, if one can then many can.
They’re better than the OLD alternative, which was total boycotting at best, and torches and pitchforks at worst. The NEW alternative is complaining about it for a week or two, then continuing on without making any changes at all. They don’t mind the new alternative.
The old alternative is better IMO, makes change happen one way or another. Specifically the unsanctioned, and non-peaceful protests. Boycotts don’t work in the days of ad-revenue, since ad-revenue funded companies have immunity from user dissatisfaction in that regard (can replace a substantial amount of users with bots that look at ads and they still get ad-revenue).
What we need are old-fashioned style pitchforks and fire protests against them, but in the digital age, using cyberwarfare, like this.
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The new alternative is becoming obsolete
I sure hope so, but I don’t see much changing. I guess we’ll see by looking at where Reddit is at business-wise by next year. People were saying it was doomed last summer after the 3rd party app fiasco, and their daily traffic has only gone up since then. I’ve long since lost all faith in the masses making the best choices for themselves.
Although the quality has noticeably decreased. The number of bots has shot up a ridiculous amount.
their daily traffic has only gone up since then
well the number of bots has certainly surged…
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The quality on Reddit has really gone down with content creators disillusioned or gone, fake content everywhere (I’ve seen almost an entire scrollable thread copied comment-for-comment), and so many users wiping their comments.
The owners are acting like everything is fine, but I think there’s a good chance it keeps hollowing out until the appeal isn’t there even for casual users. They can’t really turn back at this point, they burned the bridge.
i’m not yet sold on this “old vs new” thing. while i do agree that it would be better if people were more engaged/active about boycotting things and pulling out the pitchforks, my understanding is that hasn’t been the historical precedent in situations like this. the pitchfork stuff certainly did happen quite a lot in the past, but my understanding is that it was for more extreme problems than a social media company shutting down third party apps (which many people didn’t even know about). but then again, it might be hard to compare this to the company transgressions of the past.
my understanding is that frustration is building, and if things continue in this direction, they will reach a tipping point where people do actually stop using the website all together and switch to alternatives. and, this ban on protests will give the reddit executives much less information on how close things are to that tipping point. (not to mention that the ban itself will probably accelerate things.)
but i could be mistaken about this, and i’m open to changing my mind on it.
You can’t even make an allusion to torches and pitchforks on Reddit. Legit, they’ll ban ya.
But that complacency isn’t happening to everyone. A lot are just festering, slowly digesting more incredulous and radical propaganda/influencers. Every ones base reality of the events that are happening over the country is getting completely skewed by the new types of outlets like tiktok that they flock to because of the lack of accountability by our elected officials and journalists/news organizations.
During just this last hurricane Helene I’ve heard more anger and outrage about the government than anything to actually do about what’s been hit or what the people and rescue workers are actually doing. This is how we get mass shooters and assassinations becoming more prolific, people aren’t just complaining and going about their day. They’re nodding and grinding their teeth while smiling.
Protests: a pressure valve to release steam. You gotta let them get out there and march around for a little bit. Let them walk it off. Then proceed to implement the next new tyranny a little bit at a time.
The violent ones produce change one way or another. They’re significantly less desirable for leaders, and that’s kind of the point.
Or just agree with what your betters want you to think, obviously. </s>
