Might be a dumb question but why don’t we just continue using Win10 post end of it’s support? Are security updates that necessary that the system wouldn’t work at all? As a kid I have used old Win versions like XP and 7 for a very long time, never had an issue.
System will work, but it will gradually get less and less secure, which can get quite bad.
There is an insane amount of ways to break Windows XP and even Windows 7, it’s basically script kiddie’s level of knowledge.
And there are real exploits out in the wild that target such systems specifically - while the pool of potential victims is smaller, they’re very easy to target unless they are competently firewalled.
I reckon we’ll get another year out of it, and I also think within a year, there will be plenty of workarounds to make W11 usable for moderately tech savvy people like us
The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy
The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy
If we had nothing to complain about, we’d still be using Windows. It’s why we aren’t.
I’m still using windows and I’ve nothing to complain about; I know how to get it to work perfectly for me.
Go to the Linux community and 70% of the questions are “how do I get this to work?”
You definitely have a lot to complain about, and yous do, frequently. Most adults don’t have time to fanny about trying to get a program to work with their OS, so they’re happy with Mac or Windows
If Linux was everyday-usable they’d have waaaaaay more than 4% market share by now, it’s been over two decades
Go to any tech community and most of the questions are “how do I get this to work?”
It’s why they made an account. Go to any Steam game community page, lmao. Linux isn’t exclusive on that one. They wouldn’t be posting if they didn’t have a question? It’s why they showed up.
Do people go to Microsoft forums to hang out with their buddies?
I know how good Linux is, it’s why I use it. I won’t be trolled out of using it because it’s too hard for you. I use it every day. I’m using it rn.
I’m a member of several Windows forums… there’s just as much complaining there :-)
Linux Mint is easier to use, you don’t have to edit the sudoers file as well. Linux has limited marketshare because of its marketing. Companies aren’t interested in a OS for PCs (personal computers). It doesn’t need to be efficient or run well. They just care about keeping the agreements with Big Tech and that things work smoothly with one another (Microsoft working well in cloud/server/local) and that their enterprise software is running well. That goes along with close ties to Big Tech. Linux can reach major parts of the personal computer space, but it will need to do so without the help of Big Companies, which is a challenge.
Linux has limited marketshare because of its Marketing.
I think Linux has limited market share because “will software X work on it?” and “are there drivers for hardware Y?” are legitimate questions.
It’s party marketing, yes, but it’s also Quality of Life features. Windows either has a setting you can find by farting around in the settings or it doesn’t work. Linux can have every setting, but most of them need CLI work, research, and the wherewithal to unfuck whatever you fucked.
If CLIs could be listed, explained, and parametrized in a simple GUI, it would make learning them 10x easier. More default scripts for unfucking things would also help (like Window’s old troubleshooting wizards). More status checking and better error messages, so one can tell when something is broken without manually inspecting every module.
It’s gotten much better, and will certainly improve by necessity if more average users pick Linux up, but it’s a step that has to be taken before Linux sees a major marketshare, regardless of marketing.
If Linux was everyday-usable they’d have waaaaaay more than 4% market share by now, it’s been over two decades
You are conveniently forgetting that every Laptop that isn’t a Mac comes with Windows by default
I’m a windows-fan since… Errr… The first one. I’m a pro also with tons of win-certificates for everything. Even i started to effing hate w11. It started nice with the hdr and such, but the startmenu alone made me go nuts. Bought the one from stardock, didn’t satisfy me, made my own. If they don’t rudder back with their obnoxious ui in w12, I’m probably leaving and only dual booting for optimal gaming. I’m not troubled by the whole consumer annoyances coz I’m in a local domain with a lot of group-policies. Also global ad-/telemetry-block and firewall.
I actually liked some of the features that came with win11 but it was so bloated that it wouldn’t run that well on my old laptop.
Nowadays GNU/Linux is easier to install and maintain than Windows.
“learn Linux”
there is nothing to learn, KDE and GNOME are easy to use GUIs and there are distros that require no configuration
screensharing on discord?
works with browser
Vesktop.
don’t use evil proprietary software that doesn’t respect your freedom or privacy, otherwise screen sharing is easy to do on many desktop environments.
Sentiment is fine, but it’s still removing a choice (however misguided, in some people’s views, that is) from the user
It’s not learning linux for me; I’ve worked with it professionally for over a decade at this point and started with old distros on floppy at home (with poor success; it got better once I got gentoo and broadband).
The pain of switching is non-zero, but it’s also not high. By this I mean just the process of moving data around, settings, etc.
Finding replacement apps can be annoying.
There are some things that still bother me, though. Certain games still won’t work or aren’t stable. This impacts some people more than others depending upon the type of game. For me, it’s still being gun shy because updates have caused me huge headaches including requiring a reinstall even in fairly recent times. I’ve had to fix one windows update problem in that same period of years and it did not require a full reinstall.
I have a full-time job, house/yard maintenance, and a small farming business. I require reliability with security (so not updating is not an option) and don’t have time to spend diagnosing and solving issues. I also can’t not fulfill orders, etc. because of an issue bother from a customer retention standpoint but also because when selling farm goods, those are mostly fresh produce with a limited TTL.
I have 12 months to reassess things, but I’m not liking my current position. It doesn’t help that a lot of the software for the Japanese side of things (tax office, accounting, etc.) do not have cloud versions and require Windows to work. I’m not sure if any of those work under WINE or similar at this stage.
I’ll be downvoted to hell for saying this. But in this event I think it’s better for you to upgrade to Win 11 or maybe even move to MacOS (mac mini is pretty cheap), though I don’t know if you’ll find your replacement apps.
I use Win for work (no choice there) and Ubuntu at home (just browse the net, and only browser applications).
I use Mac for work and despise it. It also wouldn’t cover the national tax authority and other apps that don’t support mac (though some do support iOS,but those all also support android and not an issue there). They could have sneakily added Mac support whilst I wasn’t looking do I will definitely check again before deciding anything finally.
Steam has a native Linux client that uses a custom version of Wine called Proton. It handles all the emulator settings for you. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run just fine under Linux. And amost all my older, non-Steam games (like Deus Ex or Giants: Citizen Kabuto) work great under Wine.
Similar history including gentoo and distcc to speed up openoffice and x11 compiles with a pile of old computers.
Put linux on a PC laptop and it just so happens the NVMe controller in conjunction with the kernel driver has some glitch that causes the hard drive to fall off the bus forever. No big deal…
It’s great seeing a bunch of
nvme nvme0: I/O (number) (I/O Cmd) QID 10 timeout, abortingthenreset controllerthenremoving after probeannnd data loss. Didn’t have the patience to figure out the bug in the driver right now. Maybe someday.
Meanwhile, I deleted my Windows partition (even though I paid for it, damn OEM tricks) and feel better for it https://lemmy.world/comment/12818969
If co-pilot remains active even if you don’t have an NPU, and it consumes GPU/CPU resources and can’t be disabled, and that results in say a 10% gaming performance downgrade compared to Linux (these are a lot of ifs), then I imagine desktop Linux would finally get a big bump in adoption, once all the ‘serious gamers’ start using it purely for performance benefits. We’ll see how this plays out.
People won’t be able to use GPUs anyway because they’ll all be reserved for “AI” use and priced accordingly.
#RUNBSD
Yeah I loved “It’s Like That”
The only Windows PC at my home is now fully offline 24/7. I just need it for Davinci Studio, Daz Studio and Marvelous Designer. If they only could get a Linux version to work I could live life De-Microsofted.
Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.
Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.
There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.
Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.
Out of curiosity, are there any hacked versions of Windows with the worst shit gutted available out there?
You can use Win 10 LTSC/LTSB. Much longer support.
Check out GhostSpectre. Or just the LTSC versions. Or the enterprise-versions where you can tell it what you want or not.
I use O&O ShutUp
Yes, Chris Titus tool did it for me.
Christ Titus the comedian?
Chris Titus the IT mastermind
Are these the same person or is there two Chris Tituses
I’m so confused :(
Two different people, though not without similarities
I got this joke lol
Edit: the images weren’t showing up for me at first and were just a bunch of numbers so I thought you were making a joke about memory adresses
Lol, that’d be good
Completely bullshit, garbage clickbait title.
Windows 10 is near EoL, however that’s for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:
- Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - 2027
- Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC - 2032
To be fair I don’t really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
Now on Windows 11:
You can just disable copilot and all the other garbage using group policy, now that hard and you’ll end up with essentially Windows 10. https://www.xda-developers.com/how-disable-microsoft-copilot/
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.
The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That’s been the solution for ages, no “porting” needed.
Group Policy
I’ve lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.
As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don’t like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.
However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn’t trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what’s the newest thing to turn off.
I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.
Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.
Ahaha yeah, I’ve said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won’t have the software they’re used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.
requires terminal skills to deal with most things
Have you actually used linux? Terminal is optional. Most linux users use it because it’s rad, not because it’s necessary.
Digging through the registry or searching ad laden websites to find where a new setting or old menu is buried is more time consuming than typing
man <command>ortldr <command>. The latter is to improve my system and the former to prevent a private company from making it worse.
Doesn’t group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn’t that great of a solution.
No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.
Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.
On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.
You should not trust those builds. Everything you need to know is documented here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-connections-from-windows-operating-system-components-to-microsoft-services
Windows 10/11 Enterprise is recommended as that’s the version where Microsoft can’t fuck up.
I’d love to, but I am too dependent on my VST Plug-in library on Reaper. Running them through Wine/Carla doesn’t cut it.
I played with the idea of getting a Mac for music production, and installing a Linux distro on my desktop for gaming and video editing. But I couldn’t really justify dropping 1000-2000€ on a laptop with inferior performance to my desktop.
Looked into used specimen, but getting a 3-year old model only gets you a couple more years of software support.So Windows 11 with a local account and many policy modifications it is.
Be wary of sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet & allow yourself to see it as some wasted money with the opportunity to start over with something with less lock-in or the boost in creativity of now having to work with new constraints.
Have you considered running the software you need from a virtual machine inside your Linux distro?
Virtual environments are really not viable for music production. Latency and other inconsistensies makes it a no-go.
High level Music production requires very low audio and input latency in addition to consistent and 100% accurate sound reproduction.
A virtual environment is a wildcard here that I at least would not bother trying to make work. (Not saying it can’t be done, just saying it would potentially be a big headache and extremely conditioned on spesific hardware, drivers and configuration settings.)
Alas my game PC is going to stick with Windows due to bad state of VR in Linux :/. And therefore one day it might need to update to Windows 11.
In particular if you have a headset that is not Valve Index, though apparently with Meta Quest one can use ALVR, as long as you get the actual games running.
I tried VR on Windows 11… it lags more than on Windows 10
So I installed the buisness version of Windows 10, which lasts longer afaik
Worry not. According to tradition, win 12 will be pretty solid 😉
Probably gonna keep my desktop running win10 by then because I’ll hopefully have a new desktop by then that I can easily set up Linux on. Got too much on my desktop to move over and I certainly don’t know any tools able to make the process any easier.
Probably gonna just use it as an experimental PC that I can test out server related things on.
I’m adding debian to the drive on a ten plus year old laptop as we speak. It’s taking forever because I have to do part of it manually but usually it takes less than an hour and is mostly idiot proof (my current project is on its 3rd week so I am just a special kind of idiot) but a small lightweight distro alongside the windows partition is an easy way to give old hardware new life without migrating data.
I would add a small partition, but I’m always anxious about stuff like that because I seemingly always hear things about windows messing with Linux partitions and breaking dual boot. That, and I am running out of space on my 1TB drive it came with. Two or three years of me using it thinking that I’ll never fill it up before I upgrade computers and suddenly I have to worry.
You could just add another hard drive, install Linux on it, than access all your files on the old hard drive exactly where they are.
If nothing else, I might look into something like that.
