Again, this is incorrect. The reason dollars are not “backed by gold” (an arbitrary metric since gold is kind of useless — guns or bread or even puppies would make more sense) is that the US dollar is a currency, an IOU, not some sort of finite resource.
Dollars represent public trust in the power of the US government to extract taxes from its citizens. That’s tangible.
Bitcoin represents nothing; or if I’m being generous, I could say that bitcoin’s value represents people’s faith that the game of musical chairs won’t end tomorrow.
So it disappearing would have 0 effect, and it disappearing would help the economy, don’t conflict?
All stashing of currency is bad for the economy.
If you put dollars in a mattress it is bad for the economy. I like that people automatically downvoted after, not even knowing what it was you deleted, haha
The disappearance of crypto would have no downsides is what I meant. People could then invest their savings into something other than a pyramid scheme. Such investments would be good for the economy.
They wouldn’t though would they. They would invest it in something else, as they already chose not to use that money for spending. (Unless they are using a visa card to spend that money). So that investment likely would be stashing it in a mattress, a bank, the stock market, collectors items, property or such. All having varying degrees of help/hurt to our economy.
Hell maybe they’d just bet it all on NFL games on Sunday. We don’t know what they would do with it. But we know they already chose not to spend it.
Most of this agrees with what you said because I thought you said they’d spend it at first before invest. I just don’t see the big deal about it. It’s just legalized gambling, I wouldn’t recommend anyone invest it it long term, but then again… Anyone who did so far made a lot of money, haha (this only applys to the major coins, the tiny ones like penny stocks are volatile as hell)
Edit: oh I’ve got an example. Baseball cards or what not. Someone can put 10 grand in baseball cards, and they could go up, could go down, but ultimately are worth nothing, just like Crypto. Why aren’t people just as mad at the people buying collectors items?
Investments put your money to work by recirculating it through the economy in a productive fashion (theoretically anyway — I share your skepticism about the usefulness of the modern stock market). Investing in a company provides for the operating cost of that business. Putting cash under the mattress is not an investment. It’s just your savings.
Agreed, I don’t get the stock market. I know how to invest in it but how can someone say it has value if in theory the stock can plummet while the business thrives, and the business can turn to absolute shit and the stock can thrive. Like right now Tesla’s stock should be dropping. It’s vehicles lost a large portion of buyers, sales were down in the first and second quarter of 2024, people say they may have finally been up in Q3 of 2024 compared to 2023, while “experts” are saying sales are slowing, and market competition is increasing on all sides, so future profits are in jeopardy, yet the stock is at the highest it has ever been.
Absolutely. Speculation on the stock market used to be illegal until the 80’s, meaning that investments had to be based on a company’s tangible performance. No options (until 1973), no stock buybacks (until 1982), even the rules for short selling were different.
Again, this is incorrect. The reason dollars are not “backed by gold” (an arbitrary metric since gold is kind of useless — guns or bread or even puppies would make more sense) is that the US dollar is a currency, an IOU, not some sort of finite resource.
Dollars represent public trust in the power of the US government to extract taxes from its citizens. That’s tangible.
Bitcoin represents nothing; or if I’m being generous, I could say that bitcoin’s value represents people’s faith that the game of musical chairs won’t end tomorrow.
It’s good you dropped the last part, because it disagreed with the first part.
Nah, it didn’t, but I had written it elsewhere. I didn’t think going on and on about how bitcoin represents nothing was helpful.
So it disappearing would have 0 effect, and it disappearing would help the economy, don’t conflict?
All stashing of currency is bad for the economy. If you put dollars in a mattress it is bad for the economy. I like that people automatically downvoted after, not even knowing what it was you deleted, haha
The disappearance of crypto would have no downsides is what I meant. People could then invest their savings into something other than a pyramid scheme. Such investments would be good for the economy.
They wouldn’t though would they. They would invest it in something else, as they already chose not to use that money for spending. (Unless they are using a visa card to spend that money). So that investment likely would be stashing it in a mattress, a bank, the stock market, collectors items, property or such. All having varying degrees of help/hurt to our economy.
Hell maybe they’d just bet it all on NFL games on Sunday. We don’t know what they would do with it. But we know they already chose not to spend it.
Most of this agrees with what you said because I thought you said they’d spend it at first before invest. I just don’t see the big deal about it. It’s just legalized gambling, I wouldn’t recommend anyone invest it it long term, but then again… Anyone who did so far made a lot of money, haha (this only applys to the major coins, the tiny ones like penny stocks are volatile as hell)
Edit: oh I’ve got an example. Baseball cards or what not. Someone can put 10 grand in baseball cards, and they could go up, could go down, but ultimately are worth nothing, just like Crypto. Why aren’t people just as mad at the people buying collectors items?
Investments put your money to work by recirculating it through the economy in a productive fashion (theoretically anyway — I share your skepticism about the usefulness of the modern stock market). Investing in a company provides for the operating cost of that business. Putting cash under the mattress is not an investment. It’s just your savings.
Agreed, I don’t get the stock market. I know how to invest in it but how can someone say it has value if in theory the stock can plummet while the business thrives, and the business can turn to absolute shit and the stock can thrive. Like right now Tesla’s stock should be dropping. It’s vehicles lost a large portion of buyers, sales were down in the first and second quarter of 2024, people say they may have finally been up in Q3 of 2024 compared to 2023, while “experts” are saying sales are slowing, and market competition is increasing on all sides, so future profits are in jeopardy, yet the stock is at the highest it has ever been.
Absolutely. Speculation on the stock market used to be illegal until the 80’s, meaning that investments had to be based on a company’s tangible performance. No options (until 1973), no stock buybacks (until 1982), even the rules for short selling were different.