• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    Wikipedia, however, does consider it democratic and used a source I already gave you that proves that it was, along with another that does as well. You have nothing working in your favor.

    As for your racism against Eastern-Europeans, it’s no shock that they preferred the Socialist system when 7 million people died due to its dissolution and the introduction of Capitalism brought mass poverty. Pretending that they are “too stupid and uneducated” to tell you that they had it better under Socialism than under Capitalism is that neoliberal chauvanism oozing out. Really, you have a lot in common with Reagan and Thatcher in worldview. Really, it’s similar to Orwell’s view of Eastern Europeans as stupid, illiterate, and destined to be taken advantage of, as he portrayed them in Animal Farm.

    Denying the existence of G-7 and NATO wasn’t on my bingo card, neoliberals like yourself love those. Trying to pretend you do “good” Imperialism is European Chauvanism, it’s nice to see you own up to it. The IMF brutally exploits the Global South with predatory loans. This is a process also referred to as Neocolonialism, and exerting power is often done under the convenient guise of “helping” the Global South. This is the same sham as calling the IDF “the most moral military in the world.” The fact that you blame the imperialized and colonized countries you yourself benefit from for being imperialized and colonized is monstrous behavior, akin to Churchill blaming Bengali’s his policies starved on themselves:

    “I hate Indians,” he told the Secretary of State for India, Leopold Amery. “They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” The famine was their own fault, he declared at a war-cabinet meeting, for “breeding like rabbits.”

    Or, more topically, Macron recently saying African countries should be thankful to France for colonizing them:

    “I think [Africans] forgot to thank us. It doesn’t matter it will come with time. Gratitude, I am well placed to know it, is a disease not transmissible to humans. But I say this for all African rulers who did not have the courage with respect to their public opinions to say it: none of them would today have a sovereign country if the French army had not been deployed in this region”

    It’s hilarious that you think you’re trying to save me when you’ve been fighting against Socialism and defending Colonialism and Imperialism. Such a Neoliberal “Anarchist” is an oxymoron.

    During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

    If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

    -Michael Parenti

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      Wikipedia does not consider anything anything, it describes how other people describe it. Basic media literacy, wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You seem to be confusing racism with banter and it’s kinda telling you can’t tell the difference.

      The IMF brutally exploits the Global South with predatory loans.

      The IMF did a lot of shit especially in the past, but don’t pretend that loans were forced on states, or they would treat even EU countries any differently (remember Greece?), or that it wouldn’t be a UN institution that the global south itself co-founded. Haiti was made to take on debt, ages ago, and France is skirting its responsibility, yes. But IMF loans? If you don’t want them, don’t take them.

      What you’re doing here is blaming stupid decisions of southern governments on the north. You act as if you were incapable of governing yourselves.

      But it’s oh so fucking easy to blame diffuse foreign powers. It’s a tactic employed by many politicians in the global south: “Don’t look at our corruption, blame the evil Europeans”. They’re distracting you and you’re falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

      Macron

      …and the French are making fun of him for it. He’s not exactly popular, as you might have heard. His only saving grace is that he’s not LePen.

      I’m curious: What do you think about the German-Namibian hydrogen project?

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        There’s really nowhere to go if you won’t even entertain the idea of reading sources beyond glancing at Wikipedia.

        As for the German-Nambian Hydrogen Project, I am not familiar with it and don’t have the time to research for a satisfying answer on it. I’m not going to speak on something I don’t know enough about.

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          Ha! We reached max comment depth so I’m replying here. Feel free to answer or don’t or just tell me to end this I think lemmy wants to send us a message.


          If I had a dime for every time a politician blamed colonialism for the consequences of their corruption I’d have enough money to buy them. Which, btw, would be illegal. As in: It’s illegal for me, under domestic law, to bribe people abroad that’s why the Chinese are making inroads in Africa we’re not matching their bribes, any more. Russia, at least, is pretty much out of the game now after they overextended, they’re at least a magnitude worse than the Chinese in approach.

          Or, differently put: Maybe be a bit more specific when you say “global south” or “global north”. We’re currently defending Ukraine against imperial aggression from the north, you might’ve heard of that.

          What drives our economies, btw, what makes us so rich, is labour productivity, industry with high degrees of automation, uncoupling value-add from labour investment. Which is why it’s so fucked to see a country like South Africa fall to the consequences of corruption, to wit, more blackouts than electricity production. No, it wasn’t evil England who made the ANC bleed Escom dry. Those are domestic problems requiring domestic solutions.

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            I’ll reply as best I can, but really, I don’t think it makes any sense to continue. This convo moved very far from the original roots being that the 3 arrows symbol is anti-Socialist, and I don’t think either of us has had our minds changed in any way, really. If yours was, you haven’t indicated it at least.

            In this comment, you make a bunch of unsupported claims and use terms in ways that indicate you aren’t really familiar with them at all and are just responding to what I said based on what the terms sound like. A quick example is calling Russia the “Global North,” which is geographically correct but from the geopolitical definition is very wrong. The “Global North” refers to the United States, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. These are the more developed Capitalist countries that make the bulk of their income off of Imperialism, which you also use in a manner that is entirely different from what I have been using.

            Imperialism isn’t a military intervention, for Marxists. Imperialism is sort of like an international Capitalism, where wealthier countries rely on slave-like labor internationally in order to grossly underpay. Consider this, why is most of the world’s production in countries in Africa, Latin America, and particularly in China and southeast Asia? Because wages are kept low and overexploited. The ruling classes of colonized countries make deals with foreign Imperialists in order to pocket the vast majority of the money sent, while their citizenry is kept destitute. This is the concept of “unequal exchange.”

            Labor productivity isn’t what drives European economies. China has more developed automation these days, as a necessity for being essentially the world’s factory. What drives European economies is the concept of generational wealth at a country level. If you have, say, 1 million euros invested, and hand it down in a century, it would grow to much greater heights, yes? This is also true for countries, if an abstract example. What truly rules the US and Western Europe is financial Capital, not industrial. The Global South produces, and the Global North consumes.

            Your foreign policy is indistinguishable from Thatcher and Reagan, and yet you claim to be a Leftist. You really need to read more books like the ones I linked if you want to keep yourself honest, you blaming the colonized and Imperialized is like the trust fund kid telling the poor immigrant family to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps.”

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          If you get the time do read up on it, aside from checking that everything is indeed kosher, ask why you haven’t heard of it before. Why, in the list of data points you are exposed to, one that does not fit the colonial exploitation narrative seems to be missing.

          Anyhow short rundown: Germany needs green hydrogen for its industry (at least until fusion, it’s dependent on energy inputs), Namibia has lots of wind and sun, world’s best location in fact, and Germany the tech to turn that into electricity, then into hydrogen, then into ammonia for transport. Germany is going to finance the initial stage of the project which includes enough generation capacity for Namibia’s electricity demands as well as to start exporting. IIRC it also includes fixing up the Namibian electricity grid. Namibia is planning on using its revenue share to further expand things and become an exporter of both green energy and refined metals, because when you have lots of hydrogen and also lots of iron ore it does make sense to export steel instead of ore, if not finished metal products. Value added yadayada you know your Marx.

          And Namibia really can use the extra money. There’s plenty of stuff to invest in, from making sure San are not malnourished over not re-introducing school tuition to speeding up land reform. With easy access to capital and material, I’m sure Namibia will become a manufacturing powerhouse, at least compared to its population size. Sensible people look for win-win situations, and this is one of them. SWAPO even calls it Socialism with Namibian characteristics.

          (Side note: Australians so far do not seem to have understood that it makes sense to keep the value-add in country, it’s not like they’re lacking in cheap energy, or the capacity to tap it. Confounds me to this day).

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            Even if we assume the best intentions for this one specific deal, which I won’t because I haven’t read up on it, Imperialism and neocolonialism still drive the economies of the Global North. I recommended many sources that thorughly document this process to the point of no longer being deniable.