both kinds of extremists never make any sense, are complete snowflakes, and live in some sort of weird alternate reality where in some cases I can’t even tell of they are extreme left or right, they both trend towards extreme levels of authoritarian dick sucking
this weird alt reality we inhabits portal is found by reading books, engaging with reality and talking to people outside the first world
When I overthrow your government and slaughter striking workers for cheap fruit, that’s just the rules-based international order. When those same people organize to protect themsevles from my endless fuckery, that’s authoritarianism.
Lol its on you if you cant tell someone is on the “extreme left” when they said their views are formed by reading and talking to people not from the first world.
That just means you, yes you, lack the political knowledge to identify people even when they identify the most basic foundations of their views right in front of you lol.
You think extreme right wingers are talking to the global south and reading theory? Lmfao.
My user name is literally based on Thomas Sankara lol, but ok nice strawman im sure the person you just invented in your head is scary.
I also have a degree in sociology and read up to date sociological studies, I’ve read most of Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Marx and I’ve read most of what Sankara, Fred Hampton, Angella Davis and Claudia Jones have to say for one.
It creates an environment where you can call out billionaires/gun nuts/anti vaxxers/homophobes/Saudis/etc and get upvotes, but it won’t let you create an actual opposition to the problem.
Like, surely you have heard about atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia or Israel or other US allies? They get maybe half a day on r/all, compared to any demonstrably less deadly event in Iran/China/Russia that hangs in news subreddits for weeks? Even if it isn’t a left wing bias, it’s definitely a right wing bias.
Reddit has a left wing bias, but also an American bias
It is mainly just Americans talking to other Americans about American things, without even acknowledging any other country exists, or when they do it is grouped together like “other countries”
The left-right spectrum isn’t a helpful model (Piped link) on an international forum. As you’ve seen in all the replies, people have very different ideas on what is left and what isn’t… there is actually no true definition. Many people will, for example, argue that liberalism is the status quo and therefore centrist since the advent of socialism/anti-capitalism and fascism. This is especially true outside of the Five Eyes countries (US, UK, AUS, etc.) where the political atmosphere is clearly different for historical and cultural reasons. On top of that, reddit is so huge that different communities have noticeably different leanings, so naturally someone will object when any generalization is made.
they both trend towards extreme levels of authoritarian dick sucking
Congratulations, you just pissed off all the anarchists lol
The political compass is a better representation purely because it acknowledged that political ideals aren’t a linear spectrum, but it still misses the mark because a plane isn’t sufficient either.
Politics is such a complex topic and any simple representation of it will lead to what would appear to be contradictions in a person’s beliefs.
Politics is such a complex topic and any simple representation of it will lead to what would appear to be contradictions in a person’s beliefs.
Absolutely. And certainly with this kind of geometric modelling, with a spectrum or plane where these broad and complex concepts are ordered more-than or less-than others.
The political compass is a better representation
I disagree with even this. It’s not better, it’s equally inappropriate.
The political compass is adding an extra idealist axis to an undefined axis (the linked video explains this in more proper detail). It’s just digging further into a hole in an attempt to make it work, when the whole paradigm is wrong. And this is bad, because the compass model has rationalized that undefined, subjective linear spectrum. It helps delude people.
My only point on the compass being a better representation is that it acknowledged a problem. That’s not to say it’s a good representation.
I think it’s unhelpful to say that a step toward more fidelity is the same level of bad, though. Even if it’s the tiniest step, it’s a move in the right direction by pointing out that a single line isn’t sufficient.
In reality, it would be more like a series of lines on different topics weighted differently by an individuals priorities so no singular generic representation will ever be truly good enough.
In reality, it would be more like a series of lines on different topics weighted differently by an individuals priorities so no singular generic representation will ever be truly good enough.
In reality, there are no lines. And that’s exactly why I say, it’s not a step forward to add another vague idealist axis on top of a vague undefined idealist axis. Politics is not geometrical, there isn’t a concept of ordered values. The entire method of thinking is wrong, and that video helps explain what a more appropriate alternative model based on human history is like.
Adding an axis is just walking forward down a wrong path; a move in the wrong direction by suggesting the issue is about how much fidelity we have.
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this weird alt reality we inhabits portal is found by reading books, engaging with reality and talking to people outside the first world
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And to that commenter’s point I can’t tell which side you’re on, although “authoritarian dick sucking” seems to have prompted you to self-identify.
Ironic that the liberal doesnt think the system they defend isnt an extreme to the vast majority of the world.
When I overthrow your government and slaughter striking workers for cheap fruit, that’s just the rules-based international order. When those same people organize to protect themsevles from my endless fuckery, that’s authoritarianism.
Lol its on you if you cant tell someone is on the “extreme left” when they said their views are formed by reading and talking to people not from the first world.
That just means you, yes you, lack the political knowledge to identify people even when they identify the most basic foundations of their views right in front of you lol.
You think extreme right wingers are talking to the global south and reading theory? Lmfao.
But the thing is that they aren’t formed by reading, unless you mean USSR propaganda pamphlets.
The straight up denial that Russia or China could do anything wrong is what gets me, same with the claim that Communism is in itself viable.
Communism is a fairy tale, just like the Free Market, for the exact same reason.
My user name is literally based on Thomas Sankara lol, but ok nice strawman im sure the person you just invented in your head is scary.
I also have a degree in sociology and read up to date sociological studies, I’ve read most of Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Marx and I’ve read most of what Sankara, Fred Hampton, Angella Davis and Claudia Jones have to say for one.
What have you read?
“Good” liberals and weird homophobia, name a more iconic duo
lol
Reddit leans “acceptable” left, which is basically what the yanks allow.
Reddit’s highest concentration of users from 2015 was a US military base
It creates an environment where you can call out billionaires/gun nuts/anti vaxxers/homophobes/Saudis/etc and get upvotes, but it won’t let you create an actual opposition to the problem.
Like, surely you have heard about atrocities committed by Saudi Arabia or Israel or other US allies? They get maybe half a day on r/all, compared to any demonstrably less deadly event in Iran/China/Russia that hangs in news subreddits for weeks? Even if it isn’t a left wing bias, it’s definitely a right wing bias.
Reddit has a left wing bias, but also an American bias
It is mainly just Americans talking to other Americans about American things, without even acknowledging any other country exists, or when they do it is grouped together like “other countries”
The left-right spectrum isn’t a helpful model (Piped link) on an international forum. As you’ve seen in all the replies, people have very different ideas on what is left and what isn’t… there is actually no true definition. Many people will, for example, argue that liberalism is the status quo and therefore centrist since the advent of socialism/anti-capitalism and fascism. This is especially true outside of the Five Eyes countries (US, UK, AUS, etc.) where the political atmosphere is clearly different for historical and cultural reasons. On top of that, reddit is so huge that different communities have noticeably different leanings, so naturally someone will object when any generalization is made.
Congratulations, you just pissed off all the anarchists lol
TLDW:
The political compass is a better representation purely because it acknowledged that political ideals aren’t a linear spectrum, but it still misses the mark because a plane isn’t sufficient either.
Politics is such a complex topic and any simple representation of it will lead to what would appear to be contradictions in a person’s beliefs.
Absolutely. And certainly with this kind of geometric modelling, with a spectrum or plane where these broad and complex concepts are ordered more-than or less-than others.
I disagree with even this. It’s not better, it’s equally inappropriate.
The political compass is adding an extra idealist axis to an undefined axis (the linked video explains this in more proper detail). It’s just digging further into a hole in an attempt to make it work, when the whole paradigm is wrong. And this is bad, because the compass model has rationalized that undefined, subjective linear spectrum. It helps delude people.
My only point on the compass being a better representation is that it acknowledged a problem. That’s not to say it’s a good representation.
I think it’s unhelpful to say that a step toward more fidelity is the same level of bad, though. Even if it’s the tiniest step, it’s a move in the right direction by pointing out that a single line isn’t sufficient.
In reality, it would be more like a series of lines on different topics weighted differently by an individuals priorities so no singular generic representation will ever be truly good enough.
In reality, there are no lines. And that’s exactly why I say, it’s not a step forward to add another vague idealist axis on top of a vague undefined idealist axis. Politics is not geometrical, there isn’t a concept of ordered values. The entire method of thinking is wrong, and that video helps explain what a more appropriate alternative model based on human history is like.
Adding an axis is just walking forward down a wrong path; a move in the wrong direction by suggesting the issue is about how much fidelity we have.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
left-right spectrum isn’t a helpful model
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