I didn’t used to understand foreign involvement in wars, like the whole America-Vietnam shenanigans. But I can see why after watching this Israeli Palestine Conflict since birth.
But now it’s like watching two children fighting over who’s sandcastles can be built in the sandbox. And what do we do if children can’t learn to share? You take away everything and no one is happy.
So is that what this is going to come to? Do adults need to intervene to quell the infants?
A country with no involvement in world war 2 had its land taken as reparation for world war 2.
Britain was definitely involved in WW2 and controlled the territory Israel and Palestine are fighting over at the time. The Italians bombed two Mandatory Palestine cities during the war because the area was considered British.
Hell, Jewish immigration into the area had been going on for decades when the second world war broke out, regardless of whether the area was in Ottoman control or under British rule.
Palestinian soldiers also fought with the British against the Nazis.
But none of this involvement is making it any more fair that Palestinians had to pay for the Holocaust. If anything, the opposite.
Yeah you lose me at stuff like ‘controlled the territory’. It was palestinians living there, not British.
The British empire controlled a lot of regions of the world and they didn’t do it by establishing big population bases everywhere.
You’re the one who said “country”.
As for the people, their claim to the territory is about as valid as the Israeli claim to the Kingdom of Israel. Palestine hasn’t been independent for centuries, it has been a province under someone else’s control for countless centuries, and when attempts were made to split the area up into indivual autonomous states, the proposed solutions were struck down every time.
None of this “but I was there first” bickering is helping anyone.
Youre making me hate your side more and more for the complete disregard of uprooting people that were already living there, guilty of nothing. Yes, they were there first, and then were exiled. You wanna get exiled from your own country? No fucking empathy
I’m not advocating for anyone to be uprooted, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis. Both sides are living on the land right now, and neither can be kicked out without causing a humanitarian crisis somewhere and a NATO-Arab war somewhere else.
Israel is wrong by continually expanding their territory beyond agreed upon boundaries and should step the fuck back. That doesn’t change anything about the history of Palestine, though.
Yeah, youre advocating that Palestinians could be uprooted because they were under british control. People not involved in WW2 were uprooted and their homes given to jewish refugees. That happened, thats why palestinians are pissed, and now israel is just perpetuating more of the same. It never should have happened, those refugees shouldve been returned home where they could, taken in by allies, or if they absolutely had to have their own country give them land from germany or any country responsible for exiling their jewish population.
I think everybody, save for some Israeli extremists, agrees that this should have never happened. The Israeli denial of the ethnic cleansing that took place is terrible and they need to get over themselves and admit fault. The people who would come to form the state of Israel fought the British first, it’s not like they just gave up land to the Jews. In fact, up to and during WW2, the British kept down Jewish immigration to appease the Arab states whose help they needed in the war, to the point where the UN’s predecessor stepped in because that was against the terms of the mandate giving them control over the region in the first place. In true British fashion, when they saw that the area was too big of a mess to manage, and ran away, leaving the fighting powers to their own devices, and escalating the conflict.
However, when all of this went down, WW2 was over. The Palestine war and the many armed conflicts after is started two years after WW2 had gone by. In fact, the peace that followed WW2 was one of the main reasons for the British to even abandon their colonies: everyone in the UK was sick of fighting and the country didn’t have the resources to keep that many colonies under control, let alone the desire.
But now you’re advocating for uprooting millions of people from the homes they grew up in. Look at the age graph of the populations of both Israel and Palestine, the people who were actually involved way back when form a small sliver of the population. Over 700,000 people were displaced by the Zionists, but now displacing over 9,364,000 people in revenge isn’t a solution.
the state of israel is extremist. and god a lot of people love the state of israel. I havent advocated for anything, I answered OP’s question for why people in the middle east are so pissed. Even if only a few people were alive for when it was happening, it’s still recent enough that first and second generations are a lot of people. Like imagine you grow up in horrible conditions because your parents were exiled from their home, from their work. And the people that did it are still attacking more of your country to exile more people.
What I advocate for is Israel needs to stop doing what it’s been doing. And if you’re a sane person in Israel, someone of reasonable means, not a religious fanatic that thinks you have divine purpose to live within specific geography, you move somewhere else, somewhere safer.
You’re conflating ‘country’ and ‘people’ then. The ‘country’ that gave up the land had this flag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/2560px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png
I care about the people
Well it was WWI in the first place, and the levant was part of the Ottoman Empire which was part of the central powers and did take part in the war.
I know there was zionist migration beforehand, but israel as a state was established after ww2.
Are you referring to the British Empire (who was a victor of WW2) or the Ottoman Empire (who no longer existed)?
Stupid take.
Why?