An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country’s leadership.

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      Perhaps they are further fueled by orphans and widows. But that doesn’t mean they exist due to Israel. The Muslim brotherhood has offshoots in multiple countries in the region and has existed since 1928.

      So how is it Hamas, an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood, existing is the fault of Israel? You’d have a much more sound argument blaming the British. Whose control of Egypt of Mandate Palestine led to a lot of this shit. What you haven’t done is made any effort to support your hyperbolic claim.

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        More than one thing can be blamed.

        Israel fed Hamas, that’s still their fault and they are to blame.

        By your argument only the men who established slavery first are to blame, not the ones who continue or exacerbate it which Israel has done both of

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          You said it exists because of Israel. That is just untrue. Has Israel done things that exacerbated the problem? Definitely. But that is miles away from what you’re saying. And worse for what you’re implying.

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              Again, I’ve pointed out that the parent organization has existed since 1928 and has branches in multiple countries of the region. Not to mention the ongoing support from Lebanon and Iran for Hamas in particular. So even if Israel ceased to exist Hamas is likely to exist. Even if Israel never existed, whatever group was in control of that area, would still likely be dealing with an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood.

              I actually know the history of the organization. Yet I am ignorant. I feel like I’m probably correcting someone who has likely never lived in a world with the twin towers.

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                You keep talking and while what you say is true it is ignorant because you are choosing to overlook a piece of the puzzle.

                Israel kills Palestinians. That feeds Hamas and nothing you have said or are saying takes away from that point.

                This whole event happened because of Israel’s behavior. That’s why we are talking about it.

                Everything you’re saying is denying that truth that everyone else understands. Nothing you said removed that fact or made it less important. Israel caused this we all understand that, why can’t you?

                Iran causes it sure, so did Israel. WWII and WWI caused this, but so did Israel. The Roman Empire, Alexander the Great, Darius the Great caused this but so did Israel.

                Do you understand why you’re ignorant now? You should understand how Israel caused this. We all understand what you’re saying but Israel is the most immediate direct cause of this bullshit and is the actor attacking Palestinians.

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                  On multiple occasions the Palestinian governments could have formed an internationally recognized state. At the camp David accords with Clinton, 98% of the land they asked for. Lots of money. But they stopped the negotiations.

                  And Hamas was put into power due to the promise of using violence to get rid of Israel after the PA said it would renounce violence.

                  No. You’re wrong and disgusting. The attack is on the attackers. They chose to attack. They did have other options. You can debate if the restrictions Israel has put on Gaza has made the peace process worse and has made the lives of Palestinians worse. That’s fine. But Hamas launched this attack. A group put in to power by the Palestinian people. And this was their choice. And now thousands are dead as a result. And I am fearful of the long term consequences for both sides.

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                    You can debate if the restrictions Israel has put on Gaza has made the peace process worse and has made the lives of Palestinians worse. That’s fine.

                    There is no debate it just has. 100%.

                    Also way to just softly admit exactly what I’m fucking saying. You had to be dragged to the point then you gently admit it.

                    My god some people