Anyone who has read my comments knows I don’t approve of anything Israel has been doing, at least in my lifetime, and I’ve often compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939.
Alright, so I’ve got to push back on this. You “compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939”, which is explicitly an appeal to Nazi imagery. However, when someone uses a portmanteau to also say they do Nazi-like things that’s too far? How is it OK to say they’re like nazis when you do it, but not ok to say they’re like nazis when this other person does it? Sure, they could have elaborated, but I don’t think that’s required at the moment.
Just FYI, they referred to a nation('s government), not a people. Also, saying that they are behaving like nazis, how you did it, is also a slur. A slur is “an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo”, and it doesn’t have to just be a one word thing.
I assume it’d be fine to call the Nazis Nazis, right? They represented the people of Germany, just as Israel represents the people of Israel. It isn’t calling the German people anything, but it is pointing out a factual thing about the government.
That comment didn’t say anything about Jews or anything else. It used a portmanteau to accuse the nation of Israel of doing the same thing Nazis did, which is literally what you did. A slur is a slur. Either it’s sometimes OK, or it isn’t ever. Your comment should also be removed if it’s never acceptable, but we both know it is sometimes acceptable if it’s disparaging by enlightening facts. If the truth hurts, that’s on them. It’s not anti-semitic or whatever to critique Israel.
Calling them Nazis is boring and reductive. Not only is it plainly NOT true, it deprives us of the ability to speak about what they are doing that is specifically horrible. I hear white supremacists and IDF members both called Nazis but I don’t think those two groups would really get along that well. Let’s look at some parallels between Nazi Germany and Israel:
Authoritarian Governance - Both regimes are characterized by strong central governments with little tolerance for dissenting views, often suppressing free speech and opposition movements.
Expansionist Policies - In the case of Nazi Germany, their expansionism was marked by aggressive territorial conquest and annexation. Likewise, Israel’s policies towards Palestinians have been accused of being expansionist in nature, as they continue to build settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Ethnic Cleansing and Displacement - The Holocaust was the most notorious example of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Nazis against the Jewish population. Similarly, Zionist settlers forced around 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during the 1948 war that led to Israel’s creation. Today, many Palestinians are still displaced and unable to return to their homeland due to Israeli policies.
Racial Purity - During Nazi rule, racial purity became a key tenet of the Third Reich’s ideology. Jews were considered racially inferior and subjected to extreme measures like mass murder in order to preserve the Aryan race. In Israel, there is a longstanding emphasis on Jewishness as a requirement for full citizenship rights, while non-Jewish citizens, especially those of Arab or Palestinian descent, face discrimination and exclusion.
Control over Media and Education - Both regimes sought to control the dissemination of information through state-controlled media and propaganda. They also manipulated education systems to inculcate nationalistic values and a particular historical narrative.
I could go on, but isn’t it nice to talk specifics instead of just lobbing insulting slurs back and forth?
Sure, it’s reductive. I agree. I even alluded to that in my comment. However, it doesn’t deprive us of discussing things further, as you just demonstrated. The fact of the matter is Israel is using many of the same behaviors they don’t like Nazi Germany for using. I don’t think every comment needs to list what they’ve done in order point out how they are behaving like Nazis. That would be very verbose very quickly without adding anything to anyone paying attention. We don’t need to list what Nazi Germany did to say they’re bad, and we equally don’t every time Israel is criticized.
For the point of Nazis not getting along, that isn’t unusual. Many Nazis were killed by Nazis. Some Nazi generals tried to assassinate Hitler. Saying they wouldn’t get along with white supremacists isn’t an argument against them being similar to Nazis.
I prefer talking about the specific way they behave Nazi-like vs just throwing out “NAZI” as a drive-by insult. We learn nothing that way and it’s not factually accurate.
Since when is it an insult to call people what they are? They are doing the nearly the same thing - if not the exact same thing.
Israel is doing:
Stealing land
Ethnic cleansing
Genocide
Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race
Lying to the world
They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
They think and say that Palestinian people are, they “inferior” race
Apartheid
Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”
Does these things ring a bell? I’m sure it does because the Nazis were doing the same thing.
There’s an image which shows the very similarities between Nazis and Israel government.
Certainly, I’m not allowed to show it because you will delete it.
Since when is it an insult to call people what they are?
It’s perhaps not helpful. I can also come up with reasons why Palestinians could be called nazis. Literally the only difference is that they’re not winning. So if Israel is 1939s nazis, Palestine is 1945s nazis.
It’s perhaps not helpful. I can also come up with reasons why Palestinians could be called nazis. Literally the only difference is that they’re not winning. So if Israel is 1939s nazis, Palestine is 1945s nazis.
But how does calling them nazis exactly help?
First of all you are currently calling all the Palestinian people Nazis and not just Hamas.
Do realize the Palestinian people just want to live. They want to have rights, normal live circumstances, a home, a land and they want to be with their family.
All of that the Israeli Government took away from them, brutally.
Claiming that the only difference between them is ‘’that they are not winning’’ is such an ignorant statement.
So Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding village and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and good. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Now Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the actions Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 39-40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.
Racism, Apartheid, illegal settlements, unfair laws for the Palestinian people and sending people to jail/ prison for the smallest thing or no reason at all. Beating Palestinian people for no reason or provoking the Palestinian people to beat them.
It got worse by the day, week, months, years and decades.
From this we can also conclude that Hamas did not start this but Israel did and that Hamas is fighting back. Just like the Nazis started the war and The Resistance were fighting back.
They (Hamas) started out by truly just wanting their homeland, homes and rights back.
Israel did not allow it and went in brutal. You know what they say right?
‘’If peaceful revolution is not allowed, violent revolution is inevitable’’.
Israel did not allow it and thus Hamas started to get more violent and violent. Obviously they would, right? Everyone would fight for their rights.
Calling Hamas or Palestinian people ‘’Nazis’’ is like calling The Resistance from WW2 the bad people.
They are basically doing the same thing. Want their homeland and homes back, wanting to live in peace with actual human rights. Why calling The Resistance ‘’Freedom fighters’’ but Hamas ‘’Nazis’’?
There’s also the mere fact if Israel did not stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000, murdered many of the Palestinian people – Hamas would not even exist in today’s era.
Also realize that the majority of the Palestinians in Gaza are women and children. They are not men that want to ‘’erase’’ Israeli people, they just want to live. However with what Israel is doing, you can be certain hatred will grow within the Palestinian children and for that is only Israel to blame.
I would like to know why you would call the Palestinian people ‘’Nazis’’ and not just Hamas but I do also like to know why you would call Hamas ‘’Nazis’’. Because the only reason Hamas has grown such an immense hatred towards the Israeli people is because what Israel has done for over 75 years to them.
People often blame Hamas for the hatred and murdering on Israeli people but forget that if Israel never done these things, Hamas would not have existed nor would’ve done these things.
Hypothetical question to you:
What would you have done if a group of people came to your house, murdered some family members (if not all) and threw you in the bathroom for 10 years. You finally managed to escape and you see them?
If you decide to beat them up or perhaps even kill some of these people and suddenly you are considered the bad person, you are considered the ‘’insane’’ one. They are suddenly the victim and you are the bad one for doing such a thing.
This is a dumbed-down version of what’s currently happening.
I condemn both Israel and Hamas but, I do understand Hamas perspective. They want their land, homes and rights back. No matter the cost. The world presidents seem not to give a flying care and thus they will have to do everything to make people care.
How does it help calling the Israeli Government, Nazis? Simple because that’s what they are. The tick on all the similarity boxes. By calling them out for it, some people will do research and find the similarities. Also it proves that, they turned into the exact ideology they hate.
EDIT: Had to change something because the format was not right.
Anyone who has read my comments knows I don’t approve of anything Israel has been doing, at least in my lifetime, and I’ve often compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/nazi-germany-and-establishment-ghettos
But as a group we do not allow slurs, even inventive new ones.
Feel free to criticize them, but not with slurs.
Alright, so I’ve got to push back on this. You “compared their treatment of the Palestinians to the ghetto-ization of Jews in 1939”, which is explicitly an appeal to Nazi imagery. However, when someone uses a portmanteau to also say they do Nazi-like things that’s too far? How is it OK to say they’re like nazis when you do it, but not ok to say they’re like nazis when this other person does it? Sure, they could have elaborated, but I don’t think that’s required at the moment.
Referring to a people as a slur is over the line, yes.
Fucking shitstain power tripping mod, you know it didn’t cross any lines and just couldn’t stand to see someone post freely.
No, we don’t allow slurs, or abusive usernames either.
You used it yourself.
As an example, not directed at anyone.
Just FYI, they referred to a nation('s government), not a people. Also, saying that they are behaving like nazis, how you did it, is also a slur. A slur is “an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo”, and it doesn’t have to just be a one word thing.
I assume it’d be fine to call the Nazis Nazis, right? They represented the people of Germany, just as Israel represents the people of Israel. It isn’t calling the German people anything, but it is pointing out a factual thing about the government.
That comment didn’t say anything about Jews or anything else. It used a portmanteau to accuse the nation of Israel of doing the same thing Nazis did, which is literally what you did. A slur is a slur. Either it’s sometimes OK, or it isn’t ever. Your comment should also be removed if it’s never acceptable, but we both know it is sometimes acceptable if it’s disparaging by enlightening facts. If the truth hurts, that’s on them. It’s not anti-semitic or whatever to critique Israel.
Calling them Nazis is boring and reductive. Not only is it plainly NOT true, it deprives us of the ability to speak about what they are doing that is specifically horrible. I hear white supremacists and IDF members both called Nazis but I don’t think those two groups would really get along that well. Let’s look at some parallels between Nazi Germany and Israel:
Authoritarian Governance - Both regimes are characterized by strong central governments with little tolerance for dissenting views, often suppressing free speech and opposition movements.
Expansionist Policies - In the case of Nazi Germany, their expansionism was marked by aggressive territorial conquest and annexation. Likewise, Israel’s policies towards Palestinians have been accused of being expansionist in nature, as they continue to build settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Ethnic Cleansing and Displacement - The Holocaust was the most notorious example of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Nazis against the Jewish population. Similarly, Zionist settlers forced around 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during the 1948 war that led to Israel’s creation. Today, many Palestinians are still displaced and unable to return to their homeland due to Israeli policies.
Racial Purity - During Nazi rule, racial purity became a key tenet of the Third Reich’s ideology. Jews were considered racially inferior and subjected to extreme measures like mass murder in order to preserve the Aryan race. In Israel, there is a longstanding emphasis on Jewishness as a requirement for full citizenship rights, while non-Jewish citizens, especially those of Arab or Palestinian descent, face discrimination and exclusion.
Control over Media and Education - Both regimes sought to control the dissemination of information through state-controlled media and propaganda. They also manipulated education systems to inculcate nationalistic values and a particular historical narrative.
I could go on, but isn’t it nice to talk specifics instead of just lobbing insulting slurs back and forth?
Sure, it’s reductive. I agree. I even alluded to that in my comment. However, it doesn’t deprive us of discussing things further, as you just demonstrated. The fact of the matter is Israel is using many of the same behaviors they don’t like Nazi Germany for using. I don’t think every comment needs to list what they’ve done in order point out how they are behaving like Nazis. That would be very verbose very quickly without adding anything to anyone paying attention. We don’t need to list what Nazi Germany did to say they’re bad, and we equally don’t every time Israel is criticized.
For the point of Nazis not getting along, that isn’t unusual. Many Nazis were killed by Nazis. Some Nazi generals tried to assassinate Hitler. Saying they wouldn’t get along with white supremacists isn’t an argument against them being similar to Nazis.
I prefer talking about the specific way they behave Nazi-like vs just throwing out “NAZI” as a drive-by insult. We learn nothing that way and it’s not factually accurate.
Since when is it an insult to call people what they are? They are doing the nearly the same thing - if not the exact same thing.
Israel is doing:
Does these things ring a bell? I’m sure it does because the Nazis were doing the same thing.
There’s an image which shows the very similarities between Nazis and Israel government. Certainly, I’m not allowed to show it because you will delete it.
It’s perhaps not helpful. I can also come up with reasons why Palestinians could be called nazis. Literally the only difference is that they’re not winning. So if Israel is 1939s nazis, Palestine is 1945s nazis.
But how does calling them nazis exactly help?
First of all you are currently calling all the Palestinian people Nazis and not just Hamas. Do realize the Palestinian people just want to live. They want to have rights, normal live circumstances, a home, a land and they want to be with their family. All of that the Israeli Government took away from them, brutally.
Claiming that the only difference between them is ‘’that they are not winning’’ is such an ignorant statement.
So Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding village and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and good. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Now Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the actions Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 39-40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.
Racism, Apartheid, illegal settlements, unfair laws for the Palestinian people and sending people to jail/ prison for the smallest thing or no reason at all. Beating Palestinian people for no reason or provoking the Palestinian people to beat them. It got worse by the day, week, months, years and decades.
From this we can also conclude that Hamas did not start this but Israel did and that Hamas is fighting back. Just like the Nazis started the war and The Resistance were fighting back.
They (Hamas) started out by truly just wanting their homeland, homes and rights back. Israel did not allow it and went in brutal. You know what they say right? ‘’If peaceful revolution is not allowed, violent revolution is inevitable’’.
Israel did not allow it and thus Hamas started to get more violent and violent. Obviously they would, right? Everyone would fight for their rights.
Calling Hamas or Palestinian people ‘’Nazis’’ is like calling The Resistance from WW2 the bad people. They are basically doing the same thing. Want their homeland and homes back, wanting to live in peace with actual human rights. Why calling The Resistance ‘’Freedom fighters’’ but Hamas ‘’Nazis’’?
There’s also the mere fact if Israel did not stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000, murdered many of the Palestinian people – Hamas would not even exist in today’s era.
Also realize that the majority of the Palestinians in Gaza are women and children. They are not men that want to ‘’erase’’ Israeli people, they just want to live. However with what Israel is doing, you can be certain hatred will grow within the Palestinian children and for that is only Israel to blame.
I would like to know why you would call the Palestinian people ‘’Nazis’’ and not just Hamas but I do also like to know why you would call Hamas ‘’Nazis’’. Because the only reason Hamas has grown such an immense hatred towards the Israeli people is because what Israel has done for over 75 years to them.
People often blame Hamas for the hatred and murdering on Israeli people but forget that if Israel never done these things, Hamas would not have existed nor would’ve done these things.
Hypothetical question to you: What would you have done if a group of people came to your house, murdered some family members (if not all) and threw you in the bathroom for 10 years. You finally managed to escape and you see them?
If you decide to beat them up or perhaps even kill some of these people and suddenly you are considered the bad person, you are considered the ‘’insane’’ one. They are suddenly the victim and you are the bad one for doing such a thing.
This is a dumbed-down version of what’s currently happening.
I condemn both Israel and Hamas but, I do understand Hamas perspective. They want their land, homes and rights back. No matter the cost. The world presidents seem not to give a flying care and thus they will have to do everything to make people care.
How does it help calling the Israeli Government, Nazis? Simple because that’s what they are. The tick on all the similarity boxes. By calling them out for it, some people will do research and find the similarities. Also it proves that, they turned into the exact ideology they hate.
EDIT: Had to change something because the format was not right.