So stupid. If they were smart, Iran’s leadership would use this opportunity to gain international support and clout by behaving like the reasonable ones while Israel is going rogue.
What I struggle with the most is how the West just shrugged shoulders when Israel hit embassies in foreign countries.
If this has happened in any other country/embassy the international outcry would have been much bigger. Those double standards which we apply to international politics are despicable. And this also creates a sense of impunity in Israel and we all see what that leads to.
How can you preach morale when you yourself are wicked?
That’s true, but is that a wise move, geopolitically? If Iran retaliates with force, it risks escalation, because Israel will hit back, likely with the help of its powerful allies. Iran’s BRICS allies may stand by it, or they may keep a distance, not wanting to get dragged into armed conflict. Such an attack will also shift moral and media focus away from the genocide in Gaza, allowing Israel to play up external threats in its public messaging.
Its BRICS allies will support Iran if it makes its case to the UN for an international response, and it may get support from other nations which are fed up with Israel at the moment. It seems like the international order is spooked right at the moment about Israel’s and Ecuador’s attacks on embassies; it’s a good time to make this pitch. And if the UN does little to address Iran’s grievances, its leaders can play that up at home as evidence of hostility toward it by the West to undermine the pro-Western youth movement threatening their rule.
This is looking at it from the point of view of Iran’s interests. From my point of view, less bombing of things and less war is better for the world.
Well, and Russia does not have much of war resources to spare, and Syria is not exactly the biggest player in town. Yes, they do have and used poison gas on enemies, but that would probably lead to “The Crater, formerly known as Damascus”.
Lol? You’re ok with a nuclear Iran? You’re chill with having another geopolitical actor holding a gun to Europe? Maybe sit down and think things thru before you open your mouth.
By the way, I just read through your profile. I have a feeling that the paid propaganda accusation may be projection? You seem to accuse a lot of people of it. Your victim complex is pretty heavy too.
Maybe all those downvotes you’re getting are because you have extreme, shitty positions?
Of course, why wouldn’t you read through a guy’s post history, see him talk about how he likes bang bus, and immediately think to yourself, “this guy is the Israeli intelligence Agency”? You would have to be a sane person to think otherwise.
But in all serious, I never accused you, I said you should be paid for your work. You have a talent here and I think you could go far in a caliphate.
Obviously the US and Europe isn’t up to countering the genocidal lunatics in charge of Israel. How else can we stop the genocide?
Yes, nuclear proliferation is horrible, but MAD was the basis of much of the last century’s global framework for a reason. When you have a rogue nation like Israel threatening the whole region, I don’t know a better alternative. Do you?
For all your bitching in your post history about people putting words in your mouth, you sure are quick to misrepresent my position.
So, in your opinion, how do you stop the genocidal and regionally destabilizing actions of Israel? How would you fight the psychopaths running that country?
Imagine if Hamas actually had put the work in. Probably would have accomplished more than spending the last 20 years doing nothing but digging tunnels.
Or you know, they could have had elections this entire time. Used the money Qatar gives them to build something for the Palestinian people besides forcing their citizens to commit terrorist attacks.
You dont get to decide who has enough clout to be taken seriously. The US made it so nukes aree essential if you are not their ally. I am not okay with anyone having them, but they are there so it is fair game.
I think it helps to remember that these decisions are often made by people who have very specific goals that aren’t aligned with the nation itself. Generals who want to get promoted to higher levels, government ministers looking to curry favor with their patrons.
You might be right, but they’re likely not trying to improve Iran’s standing. They’re looking to each improve their own. Also, most people in these positions, in my observation ARE very dumb.
After America killed their general, they let us know when they’d be attacking. They didn’t want any Americans being killed but they didn’t want to look like punks. They knew we wouldn’t escalate.
Making that assumption with Israel is stupid. If they kill one person, Iran is going to get bombed. Israel doesn’t back down. With the recent riots in Iran, the government may collapse.
Attempts have been made, there will be a gradual push but energy for such a rebellion hasn’t got the momentum. It’ll take a little while yet for those who pushed in recent years to be replaced by those with no fear.
So stupid. If they were smart, Iran’s leadership would use this opportunity to gain international support and clout by behaving like the reasonable ones while Israel is going rogue.
What I struggle with the most is how the West just shrugged shoulders when Israel hit embassies in foreign countries.
If this has happened in any other country/embassy the international outcry would have been much bigger. Those double standards which we apply to international politics are despicable. And this also creates a sense of impunity in Israel and we all see what that leads to.
How can you preach morale when you yourself are wicked?
You know who Iran funds right? Hezbollah. It’s not like this was completely unprovoked. (Not defending Israel)
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Are you seriously so thick or just love trolling?
Israel struck an Iranian embassy. Some things demand a response.
Not everyone can be China and shrug off the US bombing their embassy in Serbia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
Israel has been bombing them for ages. At some point people are allowed to defend themselves.
That’s true, but is that a wise move, geopolitically? If Iran retaliates with force, it risks escalation, because Israel will hit back, likely with the help of its powerful allies. Iran’s BRICS allies may stand by it, or they may keep a distance, not wanting to get dragged into armed conflict. Such an attack will also shift moral and media focus away from the genocide in Gaza, allowing Israel to play up external threats in its public messaging.
Its BRICS allies will support Iran if it makes its case to the UN for an international response, and it may get support from other nations which are fed up with Israel at the moment. It seems like the international order is spooked right at the moment about Israel’s and Ecuador’s attacks on embassies; it’s a good time to make this pitch. And if the UN does little to address Iran’s grievances, its leaders can play that up at home as evidence of hostility toward it by the West to undermine the pro-Western youth movement threatening their rule.
This is looking at it from the point of view of Iran’s interests. From my point of view, less bombing of things and less war is better for the world.
Iran would not get any support, aside from maybe Russia or Syria.
Well, and Russia does not have much of war resources to spare, and Syria is not exactly the biggest player in town. Yes, they do have and used poison gas on enemies, but that would probably lead to “The Crater, formerly known as Damascus”.
Lol? You’re ok with a nuclear Iran? You’re chill with having another geopolitical actor holding a gun to Europe? Maybe sit down and think things thru before you open your mouth.
At the moment, Israel doesn’t look quite like a player you’d trust with nukes either
A nuclear Iran to counter an unhinged, nuclear, and genocidal Israel maybe isn’t the worst thing.
If Iran isn’t paying you for spouting these beliefs, they really should.
If somebody is talented at something, it may morally be wrong to do it for free. Just saying if you aren’t already in the propaganda business.
By the way, I just read through your profile. I have a feeling that the paid propaganda accusation may be projection? You seem to accuse a lot of people of it. Your victim complex is pretty heavy too.
Maybe all those downvotes you’re getting are because you have extreme, shitty positions?
Of course, why wouldn’t you read through a guy’s post history, see him talk about how he likes bang bus, and immediately think to yourself, “this guy is the Israeli intelligence Agency”? You would have to be a sane person to think otherwise.
But in all serious, I never accused you, I said you should be paid for your work. You have a talent here and I think you could go far in a caliphate.
You’re projecting again.
Obviously the US and Europe isn’t up to countering the genocidal lunatics in charge of Israel. How else can we stop the genocide?
Yes, nuclear proliferation is horrible, but MAD was the basis of much of the last century’s global framework for a reason. When you have a rogue nation like Israel threatening the whole region, I don’t know a better alternative. Do you?
Why stop with Iran? Make sure we get the nukes into the hands of Hamas.
That’s what you really want.
For all your bitching in your post history about people putting words in your mouth, you sure are quick to misrepresent my position.
So, in your opinion, how do you stop the genocidal and regionally destabilizing actions of Israel? How would you fight the psychopaths running that country?
I would start with Hamas with accepting the cease-fire.
They would have all their land and thousands more women and children alive and well if they did have them.
Imagine if Hamas actually had put the work in. Probably would have accomplished more than spending the last 20 years doing nothing but digging tunnels.
Or you know, they could have had elections this entire time. Used the money Qatar gives them to build something for the Palestinian people besides forcing their citizens to commit terrorist attacks.
It’s really a tragedy at every corner here.
You dont get to decide who has enough clout to be taken seriously. The US made it so nukes aree essential if you are not their ally. I am not okay with anyone having them, but they are there so it is fair game.
Actions have consequences
Haha. Good one.
That’s an interesting take.
I think it helps to remember that these decisions are often made by people who have very specific goals that aren’t aligned with the nation itself. Generals who want to get promoted to higher levels, government ministers looking to curry favor with their patrons.
You might be right, but they’re likely not trying to improve Iran’s standing. They’re looking to each improve their own. Also, most people in these positions, in my observation ARE very dumb.
Iran wants to keep their street cred.
After America killed their general, they let us know when they’d be attacking. They didn’t want any Americans being killed but they didn’t want to look like punks. They knew we wouldn’t escalate.
Making that assumption with Israel is stupid. If they kill one person, Iran is going to get bombed. Israel doesn’t back down. With the recent riots in Iran, the government may collapse.
I mean it didn’t go too well for Iran, they fired some missiles at US bases in Iraq and then promptly shot down a civilian passenger jet.
I guess when your friends include Russia that might still be worth some street cred.
I forgot about them shooting down their own plane.
Yeah no.
Already headed that direction.
https://irannewsupdate.com/news/infightings/iran-regimes-officials-warn-about-the-security-crisis-and-the-prospect-of-collapse/?amp
If an Israeli airstrike took out cc and things such as power. The people may rebel.
Attempts have been made, there will be a gradual push but energy for such a rebellion hasn’t got the momentum. It’ll take a little while yet for those who pushed in recent years to be replaced by those with no fear.
you assume finding a reasonable end was ever on their agenda
Naw, I’m just highlighting the difference between what smart leaders would do, compared to what Iran’s leaders will probably do.