As the president begins his last international trip before the election, the fear in the crowd is that conflict in Gaza is tripping him up.

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    That’s not defeatism, that’s realism. Neither Trump or Biden will change America’s pro-Israel stance that America has had for decades and only a fool would think otherwise. So basing your vote on that and refusing to vote for him if he doesn’t is also foolish because it will result in a dictatorship.

    “Either he does what I want or I let the dictator win” is as foolish as it gets.

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      Why can’t he change his own stance? It would be very foolish of him to allow a dictatorship to take hold because of that.

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        He can, but expecting him to and not voting for him if he doesn’t is, again, extremely foolish. All it does is get the other guy with the exact same stance, but who also wants a dictatorship and concentration camps to win.

        Because you didn’t get your way.

        In fact, that’s not just as foolish as it gets, it’s as selfish as it gets.

        I’m guessing you aren’t trans, which is why you have this attitude. You won’t be thrown into a concentration camp so it’s fine for you.

        The only bad genocide is the one happening on the other side of the world, after all. Genocide of trans people? That’s not a bad thing, is it?

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            Sounds more like you would rather support two genocides. Biden can’t force you to not vote or vote for someone else, that’s on you.

            And by not voting to stop Trump, you’re voting in favor of trans genocide.

            Which you’re obviously okay with.

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                5 months ago

                I don’t need to tell myself anything. You’ve already shown that you don’t think trans lives are worth saving.

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                  Hey since every vote counts I should probably warn you that this strategy of yours of trying to shame apathy is dogshit and hurts more than it helps.

                  Damn, you really must hate trans people by doing that

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                    Doing the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” thing won’t work here, because you’re the one talking about doing this to stop genocide, not me. And yet you are apparently totally unconcerned with the ongoing trans genocide in America and how it would get worse under Trump.

                    If that does concern you, what do you plan to do about it? Will you just stand by as trans people are marched into camps and say, “I guess Biden should have done what I wanted” or do you have some sort of idea of how to stop things from getting that far that doesn’t rely on other people you don’t even know to do what you personally want?

                    Generally when I get into discussions like this with people like you, they deny there is a trans genocide going on and imply there won’t be one if Trump gets in either. Let’s see if you’re more grounded in reality and can actually answer my question.