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    5 months ago

    Has anyone thought of maybe getting Biden to open a dialogue with protestors?

    And the protestors are just supposed to fall for that?

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      5 months ago

      Probably not, but it would help him beat Trump.

      Like, he’s doing so little, that even obvious pandering and just admitting he ain’t doing enough would be huge.

      For a lot of people, it’s less the specific issues Biden refuses to compromise on, it’s that he’s willing to bend over backwards and give conservatives whatever they want, but won’t even acknowledge anyone on his left or under 60 years old.

      He honestly doesn’t have to do much to be good enough to get more votes.

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        5 months ago

        Probably not, but it would help him beat Trump.

        I doubt that… Biden in up against more than just Trump. He’s basically been painted into a realpolitik corner - and, to be fair to Biden, it isn’t even really Biden’s fault.

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          5 months ago

          No he hasn’t, literally all he needs to do is just give the appearance that he gives half a damn what the people whose votes he needs want from him.

          It’s that fucking basic, and Biden just won’t do it.

          Not even getting into how Biden’s actions with the Southern border and Israel are 100% his fault. People were/are/will be begging him to not do that shit.

          But he won’t listen, even if it give trump another term.

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              5 months ago

              It’s realpolitks - not a popularity contest

              Uh…

              Democracy is kind of just a popularity contest. Direct democracy would literally be a popularity contest.

              But in our current system, it’s more like a couple popularity contests in a handful of states.

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                Direct democracy would literally be a popularity contest.

                Democracy is not a popularity contest - if that’s what you’ve got, the people organizing the popularity contest have already neutralized democracy a long time ago.

                The concept of democracy is compatible with any consensus-based decision-making process that happens from below - once it’s dictated from above… well, you get the picture.

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                  5 months ago

                  Mate…

                  It’s whoever gets the most votes (offer applies only in select states).

                  It 100% comes down to a popularity contest in a handful of states.

                  And Michigan is one of them. This weekend Biden was in LA raising money with George Clooney and trump was pandering to the masses in Michigan, who are giving him millions of dollars for it.

                  Like, that’s the rub. A billionaire can give about a million to the BVF, and they can bundle by getting their friends to do the same. All for a running chain of favors or access.

                  But every person still only gets one vote.

                  And I think the DNC is doing the math wrong prioritizing the money over the votes and a little less money.

                  Because they still have to get those votes eventually

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                    5 months ago

                    I don’t disagree with anything you’ve typed here.

                    But if you call any of what you described democratic, I will say that your bar for what qualifies as democratic or not is so low you’d need a bathyscape to see it.