• Zannsolo@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Snowden is a little bitch who is a Russian asset. Zero respect for the coward. I could respect him if he was willing to pay the price to do what he thought was right, but he ran off and hid in a country that does far worse things to its citizens and is constantly attacking the US with disinformation campaigns to divide our country further and help a Putin bootlicker get elected.

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      I could respect him if he was willing to pay the price to do what he thought was right

      That’s stupid. There is literally no rational reason to do that. You haven’t given a single reason why he should have, other than that you personally would respect him more, which I don’t believe for a second. You’d just find some other excuse to hate him if he had. His real crime was expose you to a glimpse of reality.

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        Nothing he revealed was a shock, I was joking with my friends about them listening in on 2009 if not earlier. Prism was bad, and illegal and not a terrible thing that was brought to light, it did major damage to the USAs global reputation, deservedly so but that’s exactly what a Russian agent would hope to do. The real world impact of the leak was a net negative for Americans. It was great for foreign countries and terrorists. Globally it was a beneficial reveal. Had he been willing to go to jail for it the issue would have stayed in the for front and people would have put a lot of effort into getting him released, and I would have been a supporter of that initiative. I’m sure their similar programs running right now, you’d have to be a fool to think every single government is doing their damndist to find exploits and creating backdoors to spy/get Intel.

        I’m a bleeding heart liberal, and I want my country to be better than it is, I’m just not willing to prop up a Russian asset as a hero. I’m all for privacy and strong encryption, I groan and sometimes even bother to contact my representative when laws are being pushed that will weaken our protections.

        Russia is the antithesis of everything he supposedly stood for when leaking what he did.

        You go to jail for doing the right thing your a martyr, you run to Russia you’re a spy.

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          Nothing he revealed was a shock, I was joking with my friends about them listening in on 2009 if not earlier.

          Yeah, but you didn’t have proof.

          The real world impact of the leak was a net negative for Americans.

          Absolutely ridiculous. You just can’t distinguish between the state’s interests and the people’s interests. So what if the US’s global image is damaged? That doesn’t affect me. If anything, I’m glad, when the US’s global image was better it meant it could get away with getting involved in stupid imperialist wars that made life worse for everyone but the ruling class. Their interests are directly opposed to mine and hurting them helps me.

          Had he been willing to go to jail for it the issue would have stayed in the for front and people would have put a lot of effort into getting him released, and I would have been a supporter of that initiative.

          Again, this is literally the only reason you’ve given for why he should’ve done that, that you personally would’ve liked him more, which I don’t believe for a second. Nobody gives a shit what you think, certainly not enough to do something stupid and self-destructive. Snowden would’ve been an idiot not to protect himself.