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After 30 years, Simon* is facing the prospect of moving.
“I think we’ve been using their products since we built the house,” he says. “We’ve gone through dial-up and then eventually there was an ADSL connection.”
The Canberra-based iiNet customer has had the same email address since the 1990s. For millennials and younger, the notion of getting your email address from the company you pay for broadband might seem antiquated. Free online services such as Gmail, Hotmail, Outlook and others not tied to the internet provider are the default. It is now not uncommon for someone to set up their own email address in a domain of their choosing.
But in the nascent days of the internet before Google and Microsoft were the online internet behemoths, getting your email address from your internet service provider was the norm, and even attractive as a bundle package – and a way for internet providers to lock you into their service.
The cost for relatively small – by comparison to Google – companies to offer the service has gone up in server and administration costs without the economies of scale.
Australia’s largest internet provider – Telstra – ceased offering its Bigpond.com email addresses to new customers in 2016, shifting to using Telstra-branded email.
TPG – which owns brands that have historically offered email including iiNet all the way back to OzEmail – informed customers in July that it would migrate their email to a separate private service, the Messaging Company, by the end of November. Users will keep their exisiting email addresses on this service, and would get it free for the first year. After that, there will be options of paying for a service, or an ad-based free service after that.
The amount to be charged from next year has not yet been decided.
The announcement was met with outrage among users of the long-running web forum Whirlpool.
“It’s a shitty move. My wife has never set up a Gmail or Yahoo and only ever used her iiNet email address for her business as well as personal. This screws us royally,” one user said.
“Us oldies couldn’t start out using Gmail etc because they weren’t in existence 25 years ago,” another said.
“It’s a nightmare trying to change logins at many places.”
Simon too says he is not happy about the sudden shift, describing the move as “shrinkflation” given the change didn’t come with a reduction in his internet bill. He said he is still considering his options.
He says it is difficult as he viewed his email address as part of his identification, and with not everyone on social media, it’s also the only way some people might locate him.
“That email address is used to identify me in what I estimate to be probably 50 or 60 different locations,” he says. “I’ve sold a car on Carsales.com, I have a Gumtree account, Booking.com, Duolingo. I’ve got to go to all of those and say I’ve changed my email address.”
An RMIT associate professor in the school of engineering, Mark Gregory, says he is having to help move his father away from his iiNet email address.
“There’s going to be an impact on quite a few older people that took up some of those accounts with some of the companies that were absorbed by TPG,” he says. “I’m still at the stage where I’m trying to convince [my father] that he has to do it.”
Gregory says the shift reflects the changing business dynamics, and businesses looking to minimise costs. Even Google appears to be feeling the pinch, messaging its customers in recent weeks saying that accounts deemed inactive in the past two years could be deleted beginning 1 December 2023.
The other factor is the increasing security risk. Legacy systems, particularly those managed under a variety of absorbed companies, as with TPG, can over time become more at risk of a cybersecurity attack or breach. External providers who offer this service either in place of, or on behalf of the internet service provider are becoming seen as the more secure option.
Randall Cameron, the director of sales and marketing at AtMail, the parent firm of the Messaging Company, says there’s been a good opt-in rate for users wanting to keep their existing email addresses so far.
“When the bar tab that is TPG runs out, we’ve got to make sure people hang around. And if we say it’s now 20 bucks a drink they’re going to say, ‘Well, thanks, I’ll go somewhere else.’”
The Australian Communications Consumer Action Network chief executive, Andrew Williams, says that ultimately internet providers getting out of the email game is a good thing because it means customers don’t feel locked into one internet company. But it will take a while for people to get set up in new accounts if they decide to switch.
Gregory advises those who need to switch to a new account to start preparing now. That means figuring out which services you need to alert to switch to a new email address. “It’s not going to be as straight forward as some people might think, because when you’re talking to the older generation it becomes quite complex.”
TPG won’t say how many customers will be affected by the changeover, citing commercial confidentialities with the new email provider. A spokesperson says the strategic decision was made to allow TPG to focus on mobile and broadband services.
“Migrating our hosted email services to a specialist provider will ensure our customers have an updated and modernised webmail experience with the tools they require for all their email needs,” the spokesperson says.
“We appreciate this change could be challenging for some customers who have been with us a long time and thank them for their understanding and cooperation during this transition.”
There’s no sign Telstra will follow and stop providing services to its legacy Bigpond customers. While the company did not answer questions on how many still remained seven years after it stopped offering new accounts, the chief executive, Vicki Brady, said they were still very active.
“We have a really engaged Bigpond email customer base … which is why we made the decision to actually upgrade and make sure we had the right features and functions to be able to support their needs. So it’s absolutely important part of our broadband service for our customers.”
With the rise in data breaches, and the avalanche of spam and scams, the shift offers people the opportunity of a clean email slate, according to Andrew Williams, of the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network.
“Your email accounts do build up with a lot of redundant information over time,” he says. “So it’s a good opportunity to have a clean start and just really look at what was really important.”
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I’ve been having a related issue. Another ISP is selling gigabit for a lower price but my mom refuses to switch because she will lose her ISP issued email address. The lesson to be learned is to never use your ISP’s email service.
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I’m pretty sure the biggest issue with this is most people not understanding how to do it and (understandably) not wanting to invest the time to learn. Most folks want things that just work out of the box.
Also a lot of the time, the issue isn’t the setup, it’s the maintenance. When things go wrong and you have to figure out what went wrong. For the less tech savvy this can be an impossible task. There’s a reason why managed services are so popular.
You covered one of the major points here. The unwillingness of people to learn new things that ultimately is not that hard when it comes down to it. Willful intellectual lazyness is paramount here.
Good luck getting a boomer to setup their own domain. Hell, I’m GenX and I wouldn’t know how to.
You can always buy a domain, and let a service take care of email hosting for you. Lots of email providers allow this.
That still requires a certain level of technical understanding (purchasing a domain, understanding where to host, setting up domain records, having to deal with your mails landing in the spam directory of common email providers, etc.). I doubt my father, for example, could set all that up without help.
My current provider took care of most of that but i agree it is too difficult for most.
You don’t need to configure DNS with many providers, just buy the name and check the mail service box.
I didn’t know how to do it, so I followed the instructions and did it.
The amount of times I’ve looked great at work because I just read the manual that came with the product.
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And then all your emails land in spam folders or get dismissed from big email providers. Or the ip you use gets put on a blacklist.
I’ve run my own email server for the last 10 years (actually own server + domain, not with an email provider) and so much can go wrong even if you set it up right.
For critical emails (work, banking, taxes, …) I still use a third party provider I trust and not my own server.
You definitely should not run your own email servers, but he’s just saying to buy a domain and pay for a GSuite account (or Fastmail, Proton, whatever) to actually operate email on that domain. All those companies handle all the modern anti-spam functions for you.
Anti-spam is relatively easy to set up and gets trained automatically the more emails you get.
Yeah, using an email provider with your own domain is probably the way to go. But it can be pricey just for email. For example Proton Mail costs 4€ a month if you want to use a custom domain. And in theory they can adjust that price upwards at any time. Fastmail is 5€ a month at the moment.
A lot of people are used to email being free, so that might be a tough sell for them. But having your own domain (especially with a wildcard email) is super nice.
I don’t mean the spam filtering on received email. I mean the black hole lists and all the stuff that major email providers do to email you send. It’s possible to run your own SMTP servers, and it sounds like you do, but that’s extraordinarily difficult. The major email providers are much more likely to do things like just block all email from your domain if they don’t recognize whatever IP address your server is sitting on as being one of the big known players, that sort of thing.
That was my biggest takeaway from all this. Should my ISP cancel email service, Ill just have to roll my own.
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Precisely, me and my wife have switched email providers several times while keeping the same address.
With the proviso that you don’t give it to companies. Use a feature like hide my email or use forwarding from a gmail etc account.
(Companies like Facebook can use your own domain to profile you and your family. Other companies use Facebook services for advertising )
Domain whois privacy is very important. They can still use the domain itself to figure out you’re related in some way but they don’t outright get your data. EU ccTLD registries typically offer whois privacy by default.
Also, it’s very important to hide your main mailbox address behind aliases. Plus addressing (real+alias@domain) helps with automated spam but not with privacy. I prefer wildcard aliases (bla.*@domain).
Excellent point
I am using my own domain. I’m using a bit of an unconventional setup. I have a webhosting plan with up to 100 mailboxes and redirects and 10GB of storage. The plan includes a domain name (but I can also transfer it later) and costs about the same as the cheapest migadu option (without domain and) with 5GB storage.
Any way you could tell me/link me to somewhere to figure out how to do that? Bonus points if an idiot (me, I is the idiot) can understand it. I’m willing to pay 20 bucks a year… I just don’t know how.
Worth noting it’s probably more like $70 a year if it matters. A domain will cost $15 and up, and you’ll need to pay an email provider on top of that, and most run around $50 a year.
Basically, you buy a domain name through some registrar. I use hover.com and Cloudflare.com. Hover is more user-friendly, but really registrars are pretty much commoditized, so kind of whatever. The registrar will provide some function like “manage DNS" or “manage your domain” that lets you add and remove DNS records. You’ll use that to tell other people on the internet how to send you email.
But at this point you don’t actually have an email account anywhere. You need to buy one from a company like Proton Mail, Fastmail, Google, etc. that allow you to bring your own domain. Let’s say you pick Fastmail. They tell you what to type into those “manage DNS” boxes at your registrar.
Once you follow those instructions, you’re done. The only time you ever have to mess with it again is if you decide to change email providers. If you decide to move from Fastmail to Proton, you sign up for a Proton account, delete those MX and TXT records that Fastmail told you to create, and add the new ones Proton tells you to create.
Sadly, that’s well outside what I can realistically pay. Money is… A little tight. Lol.
Get in touch with migadu.com, they’ll help you.
In short:
- You go to a registrar and get a domain name.
- You get a bunch of DNS records from the email provider and add them one by one to the DNS at the registrar.
- You create a mailbox and that’s it, you can use login from email apps or webmail.
Picking a registrar and a domain name is a story in itself, if you’re going for privacy. Some TLDs like the ones for European countries (.nl for example) have very strong privacy laws that will keep your identity hidden by default in the domain information. Pricing is of course another factor. I would stay away from novelty TLDs even if they’re cheap, you never know in whose hands they will end up and who’s looking at their data. A country TLD is unlikely to hike prices suddenly and will never disappear.
DNS records that you need to copy are very few, and typically only a few of them are essential, but it’s best to add everything the provider gives you to best fight spam and help your email app figure things out. The domain registrar usually has a nice interface where you edit DNS records with a form that explains everything.
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Nah, they offer email only accounts. Ihug doesn’t even exist any more and I haven’t used their service since dialup, but still got the email
This is another example of ageism. The key characteristic here is not that they are older but they use an ISP provided email address. They could be 24 with an ISPaccount they’ve used for ten years.
It’s also an example of media stereotyping older people as somehow being affected more, implying they can’t/won’t switch, are somehow not savvy enough with technology to cope and to be less capable.
Look at it this way. If you’ve had an email address for 30 years. How many times did they move house or change car or change phone number. Did they cope with that? Of course they did. And it’s more disruptive when you move physically
The UN is campaigning to stop older people being stigmatised as set in their ways, unable to cop and technologically disadvantaged. Not only does it penalise older people but distracts from the real issue. The issue here isn’t their age but the lack of portability of email addresses which are used as a means of identity.
media stereotyping older people as somehow being affected more, implying they can’t/won’t switch, are somehow not savvy enough with technology to cope and to be less capable
because that’s all significantly more likely to be the case if you’re over a certain age
obviously exceptions exist, but it’s a stereotype that exists for a reason. if you haven’t spent your life using computers on a daily basis then obviously you’re not going to be as adept with them
You are perpetuating stereotypes. They have been using computers for at least 30 years as they’ve had the email address that long.
What do you think this certain age is ? What evidence do you have to counter the UN campaign and the actual research? I’m happy to consider alternative viewpoints. Is this something that just seems logical to you?
Sure, but as I said there’s a reason that stereotype exists.
They have been using computers for at least 30 years as they’ve had the email address that long.
There’s a very big difference between “using” and “learning”. If you learn the exact set of skills you need and never step outside of that walled garden, you’re not progressing.
Just using email for 30 years isn’t proof of anything more in today’s digital landscape. Dark patterns are growing ever more prevalent, and are literally designed to make things like accounts settings difficult to find.
What do you think this certain age is ?
If you entered the workforce before use of a computer was entirely mandatory for every part of your job role. If you were already in the workforce after that point, you could either be senior enough to avoid having to change your workflow, or you could learn the specific actions you needed for your job and nothing more.
Also, if the only reason you’re using a computer is your job, once you retire you’re more likely to just stop using them. Your skills don’t just atrophy: they become irrelevant over time.
What evidence do you have to counter the UN campaign
Existence of a UN campaign isn’t proof of anything one way or the other. It would be a worthwhile campaign to run if the stereotype were false, or if it were true, since in both circumstances it would have positive outcomes.
Also, what campaign? If there is one that exists as you’ve described it, then the UN Secretary-General disagrees with its message.
In his message, the UN Secretary-General said that as each individual faces the challenge of navigating the world’s growing reliance on technology, “perhaps no population could benefit more from support, than older persons.”
That doesn’t sound like a statement from an organisation pushing a campaign for the exact opposite position.
and the actual research?
You haven’t quoted any actual research.
It was you that brought up using computers. You didn’t say anything about learning or progressing.
As for certain age, I think your answer actually supports my piint that it’s down to individual experience rather than age. Consider a manual worker who doesn’t trust technology and will only have a basic dumb phone. They are technology averse but might be in their 20s.
Computerisation of the workplace started in the 70s (I was there) and by the mid 80s was commonplace. Even shops were installing computerised systems then, even if it was a standalone register with a number of preset department numbers. A conservative estimate is that the majority of people working and living from 1990 onwards would have experience of computers whether at work, in shops, at the bank, in the car or public transport or at home. Let’s be generous and say they retired in 2000 at age 60 (will be higher in most countries) after ten years of familiarity then they’d be over 80 now.
And yet we have people much younger than that who are technology averse and unable or willing to learn. Why is that? Because age is not the deciding factor but people’s own lives experience.
Have a look at the UN Global Report on ageism and how it affects younger people as well as older people. The flip side of stereotyping older people is that you automatically stereotype younger people as being easily able to do the thing you think older people can’t do.
You’re right that the UN is not always consistent but note that the Secretary General is not talking exclusivity but that more support is needed and that they are referring to new technologies rather than email which has been around for over 50 years. I sent my first email in 1981 when addresses were resolved in the opposite way to nowadays.
I think your answer actually supports my piint that it’s down to individual experience rather than age
Age correlates with different sets of individual experience
after ten years of familiarity
Having a specific set of processes forced on you for maybe the last 10 years of your career that you can rote learn doesn’t equal familiarity.
Have a look at the UN Global Report on ageism and how it affects younger people as well as older people.
Unless you want to reference specific sections of that 200 page report, this is all I found, which literally supports the fact that there’s a difference in ability along generational lines.
While technology holds promise to improve the lives of older people, a digital divide has opened up between older and younger people that is partly due to ageism (83-85). For example, older adults who internalize the stereotype that older people cannot master technology may not even try to adopt new technologies (85). Ageist stereotypes may also explain why older adults are seldom included in focus groups assessing the design of new digital technologies (84).
It literally says that it’s due to ageism!
what’s your point? it’s true regardless of the underlying mechanisms, when your original point was that it wasn’t true at all
refusing extra affordances based on perceived ageism is literally working to deepen the existing divide
you haven’t quoted any research
Literally neither have you.
i’m not the one citing it
As an elder Millennial, they can’t even get their generations right, for one. We Millennials are the ones that were there when the ISPs began providing these email services, mixed heavily with the more nerdy of the Gen Xers. We adopted the standalone email services when they came about, leaving the Boomers to the ISP provided services because they didn’t know any better and are very slow to adapt, if at all.
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One option would be to allow the migrated users to setup a mail forwarder for free. If you don’t pay you can only access the forwarder configuration, which would be enough for most use cases.
I think it’s safe to say this wasn’t meant to benefit the users. The whole point is that they’re captive and they’ll have to pay.
Users will keep their exisiting email addresses on this service, and would get it free for the first year. After that, there will be options of paying for a service, or an ad-based free service after that.
This makes me not understand many of the complaints?
“It’s a nightmare trying to change logins at many places.”
“I’ve got to go to all of those and say I’ve changed my email address.”
Just… keep using the same email address?
Theyd have to pay to keep it. Thats the whole point. Would you want to suddenly start paying for email? Or having to change every contact email for you to a new one?
Theyd have to pay to keep it.
We don’t know that. The article, as well as the comment you responded to, explicitly state the opposite (ad-based free service).
Aye, I missed that bit. Still annoying that something that was ad free has ads. But that’s more sensible.
I agree they make it seem exceptionally dramatic, but I do understand the annoyance of having a service included (an email address) and soon I need to pay for it. That is extremely annoying.
I agree that that would be frustrating except that:
- They don’t have to pay (there’s an ad-supported version, in line with e.g. Gmail’s free service).
- That isn’t the part that they [the quoted complaints] complained about.
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you were changing one service over every 18 seconds? what are you talking about?
Yeah wtf, it’s taken me months to get all my accounts over to a new email.
I mean, if they had a list with all their emails and the associated service’s website, and all the logins and passwords on auto fill… it’s not impossible.
You’d still need to figure out where in each account settings exactly you change the address, and there’s confirmation emails to deal with later. Assuming the service even lets you change email — I have a few that don’t and I’m stuck with a yahoo address on them.
I went through changing a variety of sites recently. That was 300+ sites. It took a few days (not nonstop) and I am still not finished. For the majority of sites it’s straight forward but for some they don’t let you change your email address without contacting support. I’ve also had some that just don’t let you change at all. For those I have requested deletions. I still have sites waiting to be swapped and others deleted. I’ve been waiting since February.
Honestly my best advice for anyone looking to do this is to look at using at least one alias. Ideally an alias per site (which I have been doing). That way my email address on sites will never need to be changed again but I am now free to move mailbox providers (which this week I pointed all my aliases to fastmail as I am looking to get away from Google’s Gmail). That move took 5 seconds.
Having worked on email servers in the past, I can say that emails is one of the worst means of communication available today. It’s totally unreliable, complicated to secure, can easily be a vector for all kinds of dangerous malware. It’s used everywhere for everything yet is absolutely terrible as a communication tool.
I genuinely think we NEED email to die and start with a blank slate.
To secure an email domain you have to implement SPF, DKIM DMARC and all kinds of others add-ons to emails to barely control the amount of spam and phishing that will target you.
Emails will often be silently refused by a recipient mail server because they were falsely identified as spam. So the recipient will not know someone attempted to contact them. Spammers are still having lucrative businesses despite the 3 security add-ons I mentioned before and many domains are still completely unprotected. And these have been the guidelines for decades. And it’s still recommended to always check the spam folder because everyone needs to keep in mind that emails are unreliable. They are an outdated technology like the fax machines are/were. By the way, even a fax machine is more reliable than an email.
Filtering spam will always mean false positives and lost emails. And it’s quite expensive to get a good anti spam filter.
Emails are bad. They need to go. If anything remotely looks like an acceptable replacement we have to go for it.
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I realize this comment is a bit off topic. I just wanted to point out that despite being heavily used emails are on paper an absolutely terrible communication medium. Maybe it’s not such a bad thing if people use it less.
Genuinely, the most frustrating technology I had to admin so far and by a long shot.
I kind of get why a business would want to stop providing email services. They are so annoyingly complicated to host.
We need a black hole for all the scammers and advertisers to send stuff to. If we get rid of email, they’ll switch to things we actually use.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Simon too says he is not happy about the sudden shift, describing the move as “shrinkflation” given the change didn’t come with a reduction in his internet bill.
Even Google appears to be feeling the pinch, messaging its customers in recent weeks saying that accounts deemed inactive in the past two years could be deleted beginning 1 December 2023.
Legacy systems, particularly those managed under a variety of absorbed companies, as with TPG, can over time become more at risk of a cybersecurity attack or breach.
Randall Cameron, the director of sales and marketing at AtMail, the parent firm of the Messaging Company, says there’s been a good opt-in rate for users wanting to keep their existing email addresses so far.
While the company did not answer questions on how many still remained seven years after it stopped offering new accounts, the chief executive, Vicki Brady, said they were still very active.
With the rise in data breaches, and the avalanche of spam and scams, the shift offers people the opportunity of a clean email slate, according to Andrew Williams, of the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network.
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