It sounds like we agree on principle.

The difference is you’re actively trying to both sides it.

To me, there is a substantial difference in optics and consequence between hitting someone in a car and standing on a road.

The latter is barely worth talking about when the former is the topic of discussion, especially when the justification seems to be - they were in the way.

Justifying something that is deemed illegal is how laws change.

It is true that the world isn’t in black and white. But laws are and we must respond in kind.

If it isn’t justified, you should be able to come up with a rational argument against me, of which I’m amicable. The argument being about the driver having more responsibility.

To me, a person in a lesser position of control of a situation should be given more leeway in terms of outcomes. This is because with control comes responsibility and failure of that responsibility comes justice.

You would have to argue that the driver had less control over this situation.

Depends on the law.

In other countries hitting someone in a vehicle is considered assault regardless of the circumstances and is enforced as such.

I would condemn the driver, the one with the responsibility to drive a tonne of steel around safely, over the pedestrian being an nucence(?) on the road.

If the law is the other way around. The law needs to be changed.

OK cool.

It was me that said it can’t go above boiling, 100. I was just under the impression that it would burn of course, but third degree burns was surprising to me. Burning away the epidermis and nerves of the skin entirely seemed to me to require a much higher temperature. I guess I’m wrong, probably because of clothing holding the heat around the skin.

Thanks.

That makes sense. Thanks.

I don’t think I understand how it can be hotter than 100 celcius.

I’m not defending McDonald’s here, they can rot.

Like, coffee is mostly water, and water boils at atmospheric pressure at 100c. Milk boils slightly more than 100. I guess the lid would pressurise the steam a little? Maybe the coffee grinds hold the heat far more than the water? I wouldn’t have thought it would be diluted too much to make a difference.

I guess this is a stupid question, because it happened. But how can boiling water cause third degree burns in the quantity of 500ml? I thought it’d have to be much more than that and very prolonged?

I’d double down and say that maybe we shouldn’t be driving cars. There are other methods of moving from point a to point b.

This position isn’t exactly practical, yet, but it is consistent.

The car has a number of safety mechanisms to prevent death. A gun does too - but, that is to prevent it’s intended use.

The car is regulated to prevent death. Although, not nearly enough. We have licences, registration, regular maintenance and checks. That are enforced with fines, usually.

The car is designed to move people and things from point a to point b. That is it’s function. There is a side effect of that function, that it can kill people.

If the cars manufacturer had installed a spiked bullbar in a line of new cars. I think it would be fair for litigation to be directed at that manufacturer to determine the function of that bullbar. Because it seems like the intention is to make it easy for people to kill people.

The guns function is to kill. Plain and simple. The manufacturer has the intention to make tools to kill.

The cars function is to drive. Plain and simple. The manufacturer has the intention to move people and things around.

Yup.

I’m not American. This has been standard procedure for the 3 countries I call home. You need a gun licence - and it’s pretty stringently assessed.

I don’t need to abide by American constitutional bullshit. There is no tap dancing from me.

Can’t hurt their profit margins, of course they would say that.

What is the intention of designing something capable of firing a projectile at high velocity?

Seriously, this argument is so stupid. Let me try.

Im a manufacturer that cuts wood at a specific size with the intention to use it as a door. It can and usually is used as a door, but doesn’t have to be.

It is a weapon. That is the intention of the tool.

A spade has the purpose of digging, just as the gun has the purpose of killing.

I’m not arguing about the proportion of guns that kill things or not.

I’m merely stating that the purpose of a gun, is to kill. Otherwise, they wouldn’t.

Target practice, is practicing to kill.

I’m not American, I don’t need to abide by your bullshit constitution.

The manufacturer is making a tool with the intention of killing.

You have a point. But you are skipping a road of reasoning here.

What could possibly be more important than you? What could supercede your will to life?

Surely the only thing that existentially matters to you, is you. Right?

I do believe it’s your choice. But I also believe that the choice is wrong. There are countless numbers of other paths to try that could instill an essence in you.

Try moving to a city. Try moving to another country. Try learning an instrument. Try a new language. Try finding a new partner. Try a new sport. Try finding new friends. Try hiking. Try a different job, or no job. Try a new book. I could go on.

Try anything and everything that could prevent you from coming to a permanent end.

Everytime I see suicide statistics like these. I don’t think of the deaths. I think of the misery each individual must have experienced in order to come to the conclusion that death was better.

Then I think about the nebulous political cloud surrounding these people and those who may have approached the conclusion but had the strength to carry on. I say nebulous because research is never going to encapsulate the reasons for one to kill oneself. If 50k in the US is the number who followed through, the numbers must be huge. I say this, because the suicide death statistic, is only the start of the problem - it’s a scale.

Misery festers at all of us. Labels, drugs and conversation can help, but it’s just burying the problem for it to resurface later. Until we start getting political movements towards human needs, this will continue.