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  • You are again diverting and misleading.

    I wrote:

    Either you don’t know your history or you want to go off the topic again. Budapest is not Minsk, and both treaties are not the same.

    In the Budapest Memorandum Russia guaranteed to honour the then existing borders of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. In exchange these nations gave their part of the nuclear arsenal of the USSR to Russia.

    Russia broke that treaty 20 years later with the invasion of Crimea. The Minsk Protocol was trying to calm down the tensions resulting from that breach of contract. Nowhere in the Minsk Protocol is a clause that forbids Ukraine to arm. Which cluses were broken by NATO or Ukraine? The text is online.

    You deleted the content of the Budapest Memorandum from my quote.

    Did Russia honour the Budapest Memorandum?


  • My point: Your source was an ambassador in an unproblematic nice to live in country, just as a thank you from his President. The work was done by the 1st Attaché. No politician, no influence. Crap as a source.

    That’s not how this works, what he says obviously carries weight given his status, and most importantly what he said is the truth. If you’re trying to claim that the former US ambassador doesn’t know what he’s talking about, then surely academics such as John Mearsheimer and Noam Chomsky do. They happen to agree with him.

    That is how it works. He has no political weight, he was a trophy ambassador. And your Mearsheimer and Chomsky are, let’s say, “controversly” discussed.


  • … who was an ambassador for 1 1/2 years and had no political functions before and after. He is a real estate guy, film producer and horse race aficionado. So no real source.

    Not sure what your point here is, pretty much all western politicians have these sorts of backgrounds.

    Interesting statement of fact. Let’s check it.

    • Joe Biden: Lawyer, in politics since the age of 27
    • Kamela Harris: in public service and politics directly after law school
    • Ron DeSantis: Law school, millitary, poltician
    • Ursula von der Leyen: LSE, housewife, politician
    • Charles Michel: Member of parliament at age 23
    • Olaf Scholz: Lawyer, in national politics since 1998
    • Justin Trudeau: Son ;-) , teacher, non profit, politician
    • Emmanuel Macron: public servant, banker (5 years), public service and politician
    • Anthony Albanese: politics after uni
    • Giorgia Meloni; politics after uni

    A list of 10 not so influential western politicians. Ok, you said “pretty much all”, I am waiting for at least 20. I’ll give you Trump and Sunak.

    My point: Your source was an ambassador in an unproblematic nice to live in country, just as a thank you from his President. The work was done by the 1st Attaché. No politician, no influence. Crap as a source.

    It’s a proxy war by NATO against Russia, and yes this war is costing Russia lives. However, it’s becoming clear that this war is starting to cost the west quite a bit as well. The economy in Europe is suffering quite a bit right now, and the cost of living continues to climb which is leading to a lot of political unrest.

    It’s a war by Russia against Ukraine, where Ukraine gets help from NATO and other countries. And of course it’s costly, but you are getting off course. Which seems to be systemic to your argumentation.

    But I think most of them would have preferred if Russia had respected the Budapest Memorandum.

    Russia tried Ukraine and the west to respect the Minsk agreements for nearly a decade. Now western leaders openly admit that they never intended to, and this was all a ploy to arm Ukraine for the coming conflict.

    Either you don’t know your history or you want to go off the topic again. Budapest is not Minsk, and both treaties are not the same.

    In the Budapest Memorandum Russia guaranteed to honour the then existing borders of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. In exchange these nations gave their part of the nuclear arsenal of the USSR to Russia.

    Russia broke that treaty 20 years later with the invasion of Crimea. The Minsk Protocol was trying to calm down the tensions resulting from that breach of contract. Nowhere in the Minsk Protocol is a clause that forbids Ukraine to arm. Which cluses were broken by NATO or Ukraine? The text is online.

    I’ll ignore the rest about NATO and warnings and so on. You are just flooding the zone because you want to distract from the fact that you are defending the invasion of an independent country by Russia.