I’m talking about things like approximate location, file/album specific media access, system wide camera and mic access, camera/mic use indicator, permission logs, data safety page for apps in play store etc.
Who are they trying to fool here? Any person who is truly aware about privacy knows Google cannot trusted in this domain. I don’t believe Google just decided to turn ‘not evil’ in one night and bring all these additions that actually have any impact on us end users. Google might just as well have the same access to our devices’ data if not more and they wouldn’t mind letting third party apps have access to it. Operating at such a humongous scale globally, being the lifeline of nearly all individuals and industries and predating off them as their primary source of revenue, they have complete power to ignore or silence the privacy minded individuals like us, yet they bothered to implement and provide us these features.
I cannot come up with any reasonable answer for this apart from what I think of this as some sort of publicity stunt to compare themselves with the privacy features Apple introduced in their softwares. What are your thoughts?
Because not every app you download needs to know all of your information
no app needs all your information, but apprently google does
I trust Google with my location.
I do not trust my banking app or the random photo filter I downloaded with my location.
What even is this post? You can’t understand the purpose of granular controls?
Your echo chamber must be nicer than the one they put me in. I bet you’re much more profitable to manipulate and justify the time and computational power to setup.
Manipulate? No need, I know the data that is collected and know what services I get in return. It’s a conscious choice.
Manipulate is the name of the game. It hasn’t been about banner ads since web 1.0. Your data shapes your search results for the web and shopping. Several places are setup to adjust price based on your data. They use categorization and seller promotion ambiguity to hide how they orchestrate their price fixing scam. You are paying more per item as a result of your profile, much the same as you are fed a specific stream of suggested content to influence your politics. Your lack of awareness, or caring begs the rhetorical question, why are you on Lemmy and posting comments in a privacy community when the largest and most pervasive privacy violating corporation in the world is something you don’t care about.
Where I live, it’s illegal to charge different prices to different customers. I pay exactly the same as anybody else, regardless of what settings I set on my Android phone.
Stop spewing nonsense.
It would be illegal to change the price directly, it is not illegal to obfuscate the product listing using a categorization system without any way to perform an absolute search of all possible listings. You are just shown listings based on obscure parallel categories. It is also legal to promote certain “sellers” of the same item. Therefore you are shown whatever price the “promoted” seller has picked. This stuff is obvious and easy to verify. Places like the USA have a tenth of the laws and protections of advanced nations. This is what right wing liberalism is all about. There are no protections against price fixing because the laws are written for the world of 100 years ago when the idea that a single item could come from a hundred angles and entities was an absurd impossibility. Maintaining laws at this primitive insufficient state is how billionaires are made. Every billionaire is a criminal exploiting loopholes and stealing from everyone. This is your trickle down economics. Everyone is at the top getting squeezed into the pockets of 750 parasitic criminal billionaires at the bottom. Data is used to manipulate you. It is done in a way that is just obscure enough for most people to fail to grasp. This shapes your entire life.
it is not illegal to obfuscate the product listing
You do realize I don’t live in your country, right?
You do realize the country of the company is all that really matters and there are no real guarantees about internal data handling
they wouldn’t mind letting third party apps have access to it
i think they would mind, since their business model is build around selling “metadata data for advertising” … and sharing the raw data of is not in their interest, since that would allow others to compete with them.
Google is particularly good at keeping the data they harvest to themselves. Like, how often was there a breach? They seem to put quite some effort into securing their systems
Apple tracks all of my data on their own. I know this, and do what I can to limit it.
I still have control over what the apps have access to. For example, only a handful of apps have access to my cellular data. Nothing else needs it, and I am prompted when I launch an app to change the setting if I want to. This prevents them from doing anything unless I’m on Wi-Fi. Same with location, I have it enabled for 4 apps, and get notifications frequently that I can change my settings.
Sure, I have to trust them that they aren’t sharing that data even when I ask them not to, but given apple’s track record, I’m reasonably comfortable with this until a Linux phone is good as a daily driver.
It’s the same thing. And frankly they are probably just playing catch-up to what apple already does.
If you trust google with that info, you should trust them not to share it when they say they won’t. If you don’t trust them with it, you need to get off android, because they have it anyway.
They push out the competition, apps that you install from collecting all the data they can. Harvesting data is becoming more centralized.
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They’re not as extremist or powerful as you seem to think.
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Who are they trying to fool here? Any person who is truly aware about privacy knows Google cannot trusted in this domain.
They’re trying to fool those that are not aware. Which is almost everyone.
You realize Android is open-source and you can actually audit that all those features actually do what they claim to do, right?
Principle of least privilege is a good thing, even with Google’s apps. Maybe Google can get all that data from elsewhere, sure, but it still reduces the potential attack surface even in their own apps. So Gmail can’t be exploited to get your location and pictures. Chrome can’t be exploited to get your emails. YouTube can’t be exploited to get your location. Even internally, Google is a huge company with loads of employees involved. One could get rogue and add a backdoor, it would only get what that specific app has access to even though Google as a whole can probably get whatever they want.
Plus, I’d say even though I distrusr Google, I still trust them more than I would trust Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, or basically most third party apps. My weather app just doesn’t need to know anything but my rough location. My bank app doesn’t need to know about my location at all, even though I trust my bank with my money. My health insurance app sure doesn’t need to know about anything whatsoever. No apps ever need my phone number or IMEI.
With the previous system, there was a lot of apps that bundled ad libraries that would then send out notifications pretending to be other apps, install other apps without the user’s consent, collect every bit of information possible operating out of Russia or China where you have zero legal recourse.
You may not trust Google, but they have clear, legally binding policies about what they collect, how they use it, and you can potentially sue them if you can prove they misused your data. You can’t say the same about TikTok for example.
The privacy controls benefit everyone. It benefits Google in Android not being seen as a free for all. It benefits users who can and do deny a lot of those permissions. It protects users from apps just getting everything and actively kicking those apps out the Play Store. You can even revoke most of those permissions from Google’s apps if you want. If you flash LineageOS without Gapps you still get all those privacy features without Google’s involvement at all.
Privacy is not a binary thing. Most people don’t want maximum privacy, they’ll happily give their location to Google so Maps work. That doesn’t mean they don’t care and want TikTok to have it all too because Google can.
Your reasoning only makes sense from the point of view that Google is the biggest threat to your privacy in the world amd that everyone else is good. There’s far, far worse than Google.
Who are they trying to fool here? Any person who is truly aware about privacy
You answered your own question. Most people are still living in the Dark Ages when it comes to privacy awareness and just general tech literacy. To them, Google’s “privacy” features actually sound impressive.
As for why Google bothered to introduce such features: like most things in the mobile world it is about not losing ground to Apple in the features race. Google never cared until Apple introduced their own “privacy” features a few years ago. They know Apple is a dangerous competitor due to its ability to gaslight consumers into thinking it cares about them, so they are attempting to do the same here. It’s all about creating the illusion of being a pro-consumer company.
Plausible denyability
Google is getting sued for antitrust. Probably has to do with this.
There is a ton of ambiguity about privacy because of how android is setup. In order to make it idiot-user-friendly, android has a 3 user permissions system. It is different than Linux. The 3rd party developer has a place in the permissions space. You are not root and the developer has a similar input as the end user as far as permissions and basically Google is root (or AOSP if you do not have the proprietary google services framework installed). This is one reason why companies push their apps on users. The best option possible is if you can run something like Graphene OS and do everything in the browser with minimal 3rd party apps, and of course, avoid running google services.
Yeah, I didn’t consider this reason, but it is plausible.
