why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there’s plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It’s better than rise of skywalker but i’d rather watch the holiday special.
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance’s capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught’s fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
The Resistance should have had all their ships run away in different directions. Sure one of them will get chased down and blown away, but 95% escaping would have been a much better result than what they got. My headcanon is that if Leia hadn’t been unconscious that’s exactly what she would have done, and Holdo was at a “Civil War General” level of incompetence.
But the Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff was great. Rian Johnson actually figured out something to do with the Jedi that hadn’t been done before, and killing off the bad Emperor knockoff was 100% the right call. Every character in that plot was actively making decisions that revealed their character rather than being propelled along by plot contrivance, it was great.
There’s also a ton of potential in the B plot, all you have to do it rewrite it a bit. Maybe they find out that the dreadnought isn’t tracking them with a new piece of technology after all, and since they can’t find a tracking device they suspect there’s a spy. Maybe the reason they go to the rich people planet isn’t to find some macguffin guy, but to find the people funding the FO and shoot them. The Jedi plot ends with Rey deciding not to burn the Jedi’s teachings - you could dramatically pair that with Finn deciding to blow up the arms dealers profiting off of endless galactic war.
the only good thing i think is killing snoke like that. subverting expectations just to subvert them isn’t good, just like tropes aren’t automatically bad but the snoke death added stakes to the events.
Luke’s character “development” happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable. kylo is no jacen
Gosh, you remember more about that movie than I do; I spent a lot of the time in that theater waiting for the plot to develop. Or, you know, character interactions to change. I felt like the movie should have been cut in half. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character, I’ll just get on with my life tyvm.
. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character
i didn’t mention her at all? There are probably problems with Rey but i don’t know what they are because everything about the story is so nonsensical. She’s a soft reboot of luke, i guess, the same way the movies were soft reboot rather than a logical progression of the pretend material conditions at the end of RoTJ. not to mention anything resembling 30 years of books exploring post-endor events.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to your problems with TLJ, I was referring to people who make hating TLJ their whole personality–you know, the ones you can allow to talk for about a minute and three different bigotry colors will shine bright. There’s “TLJ was bad,” then there’s these guys, who usually can’t stop talking about Rey.
I don’t really care about the honor of Rian Johnson, but I don’t think your points are correct.
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
Cloaking devices were introduced in Episode I
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There’s not really a point.
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
Yeah, this one is kinda dumb, but it’d be possible for a small ship to escape unnoticed and get out of range in order to jump to lightspeed.
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren’t canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
Luke’s character “development” happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable.
None of the books are canon. It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
no they were introduced in a TIE Fighter expansion, and if you’re going to say there was a romulan-ass cloaking device in phantom menace i’m gonna need a wookieepedia link beacause i do not remember that shit
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There’s not really a point.
instead of a dumbass chase that makes no sense you can microjump some of the ships in front of the rebels, or call in more ships from somewhere else if there’s time for the fucking b-plot.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren’t canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
throwing out the canon was the first bad decision jj and the other execs made, but even without knowing or caring about anything but the movies… all the fucky things disney movies did with hyperjumps means things like the falcon’s escape from mos eisley didn’t need to happen and the blockade of naboo couldn’t have worked because the “can’t go to hyperspace in a gravity well” was thrown out. the big fights against the death stars (hell the death stars themselves) were totally pointless because you could just destroy anything big and slow moving by hyper-ramming it, etc. indefensible on both matters.
It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
it’s hack writing to have a change like that happen entirely off-screen, and the flashback is just luke about to murder an innocent person who hasn’t done anything wrong yet because of a vision. how the fuck does luke get to that point in 20 years of whatever happened after the battle of endor where it’s heavily implied that the rebels were going to win the war? it’s totally unearned. (Also the state of galactic politics being completely unchanged from the beginning of a new hope is stupid and terrible but that’s not rian’s fault.)
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there’s plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It’s better than rise of skywalker but i’d rather watch the holiday special.
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance’s capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught’s fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
The Resistance should have had all their ships run away in different directions. Sure one of them will get chased down and blown away, but 95% escaping would have been a much better result than what they got. My headcanon is that if Leia hadn’t been unconscious that’s exactly what she would have done, and Holdo was at a “Civil War General” level of incompetence.
But the Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff was great. Rian Johnson actually figured out something to do with the Jedi that hadn’t been done before, and killing off the bad Emperor knockoff was 100% the right call. Every character in that plot was actively making decisions that revealed their character rather than being propelled along by plot contrivance, it was great.
There’s also a ton of potential in the B plot, all you have to do it rewrite it a bit. Maybe they find out that the dreadnought isn’t tracking them with a new piece of technology after all, and since they can’t find a tracking device they suspect there’s a spy. Maybe the reason they go to the rich people planet isn’t to find some macguffin guy, but to find the people funding the FO and shoot them. The Jedi plot ends with Rey deciding not to burn the Jedi’s teachings - you could dramatically pair that with Finn deciding to blow up the arms dealers profiting off of endless galactic war.
the only good thing i think is killing snoke like that. subverting expectations just to subvert them isn’t good, just like tropes aren’t automatically bad but the snoke death added stakes to the events.
Luke’s character “development” happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable. kylo is no jacen
Gosh, you remember more about that movie than I do; I spent a lot of the time in that theater waiting for the plot to develop. Or, you know, character interactions to change. I felt like the movie should have been cut in half. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character, I’ll just get on with my life tyvm.
i didn’t mention her at all? There are probably problems with Rey but i don’t know what they are because everything about the story is so nonsensical. She’s a soft reboot of luke, i guess, the same way the movies were soft reboot rather than a logical progression of the pretend material conditions at the end of RoTJ. not to mention anything resembling 30 years of books exploring post-endor events.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to your problems with TLJ, I was referring to people who make hating TLJ their whole personality–you know, the ones you can allow to talk for about a minute and three different bigotry colors will shine bright. There’s “TLJ was bad,” then there’s these guys, who usually can’t stop talking about Rey.
oh yeah for sure
I don’t really care about the honor of Rian Johnson, but I don’t think your points are correct.
Cloaking devices were introduced in Episode I
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There’s not really a point.
Yeah, this one is kinda dumb, but it’d be possible for a small ship to escape unnoticed and get out of range in order to jump to lightspeed.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren’t canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
None of the books are canon. It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
no they were introduced in a TIE Fighter expansion, and if you’re going to say there was a romulan-ass cloaking device in phantom menace i’m gonna need a wookieepedia link beacause i do not remember that shit
instead of a dumbass chase that makes no sense you can microjump some of the ships in front of the rebels, or call in more ships from somewhere else if there’s time for the fucking b-plot.
throwing out the canon was the first bad decision jj and the other execs made, but even without knowing or caring about anything but the movies… all the fucky things disney movies did with hyperjumps means things like the falcon’s escape from mos eisley didn’t need to happen and the blockade of naboo couldn’t have worked because the “can’t go to hyperspace in a gravity well” was thrown out. the big fights against the death stars (hell the death stars themselves) were totally pointless because you could just destroy anything big and slow moving by hyper-ramming it, etc. indefensible on both matters.
it’s hack writing to have a change like that happen entirely off-screen, and the flashback is just luke about to murder an innocent person who hasn’t done anything wrong yet because of a vision. how the fuck does luke get to that point in 20 years of whatever happened after the battle of endor where it’s heavily implied that the rebels were going to win the war? it’s totally unearned. (Also the state of galactic politics being completely unchanged from the beginning of a new hope is stupid and terrible but that’s not rian’s fault.)