Not at all. Preaching is different than pushing. Preaching is just sharing the info and letting the other person decide for themselves.
But you’re right that these anti-abortion laws are “pushing” those beliefs. However, that’s nothing to with religion itself, but people who want to exert control. Religion (the Bible) just becomes a means to do that. It’s an effective tool for those with ill intention because most people don’t really know the Bible, so it’s hard (if not impossible) to argue against somewhen when don’t know all the talking points.
So then the narrative becomes “this is what the Bible says, the Bible is from God, are you going against the word of God?”
When in reality it’s either twisting the words or just a flat out lie. The Bible makes it very clear that God’s people do not get involved with politics.
Specifically it says the world is in the power of the “wicked one”, the devil. Satan also offered Jesus control of all the world powers of Jesus performed one act of worship to Satan. This offer would have been empty, and Jesus would have known it, if Satan couldn’t make on that promise. Jesus also said “God’s people are no part of this world, just as in no part of this world” referring to him rejecting being made king.
The point I’m trying to make is that if someone actually studies the Bible, they would understand that politicizing abortion is just wrong on so many levels.
So Christianity in its common form in the US is about exerting control. But that’s not what Christianity, or religion in general, is about.
Preaching is the assumption others want to hear about your religion. It’s a bit like being a Magic the Gathering Fan boy. You’re going to tell everyone about it even though their eyes are glazed over and they have tried to change the subject 3 times in the past 5 minutes. Live a life that makes people go, hey why are you so kind and generous and loving I want to know about that, then answer their questions, otherwise you’re just another boring fanboi prattling on.
Preaching is the assumption others want to hear about your religion.
That’s beating someone over the head with a Bible. Preaching is talking about it to others. If the person says “not thanks” or “not interested” then that’s it. The act of preaching is done. Anything else beyond that is no longer preaching and is more like baggering.
I know what you’re saying and I absolutely understand, but it’s not fair to lump someone trying to be nice (and someone trying to share something they feel is positive is being nice) and someone pushing an agenda and not being happy until everyone thinks like they do. There’s a lot of middle ground to be had.
But that’s irrelevant if the information they have is wrong (meaning the information they think they have from the Bible).
Otherwise we could just as easily say that science is a problem because flat earthers say they use science, which they do claim but we know their knowledge is science is wrong.
The problem with religion is that it’s not objective. You can’t argue that they’re wrong if they’re invoking a passage that requires interpretation. And if they believe god is supporting them in their journey, which again can’t be refuted, there is not much you can say to stop them.
I disagree. There are many things in the Bible that are very clear. The idea that the Bible requires interpretation that can be variable is not true. The issue is that you need to read the entire Bible first. Unfortunately most people take bits and pieces out of context as proof for or against something, and they often never question it further because it supports their existing worldview.
And if they believe god is supporting them in their journey, which again can’t be refuted, there is not much you can say to stop them.
Except the Bible shows that God’s people should not be involved in politics. There’s no getting around that one.
You are inherently wrong, as clearly there are quite a few christians who disagree with you. I’d wager most. No amount of no true scotsman will get around the fact that this is an ideology perpetuated by christianity, wether you agree with how the people are going about it or not.
I mean I only need to point out the division between the church and theology🤷♀️
You are inherently wrong, as clearly there are quite a few christians who disagree with you.
They can disagree with me until the end of time. It won’t change the fact that they aren’t following what the Bible teaches.
No amount of no true scotsman will get around the fact that this is an ideology perpetuated by christianity
But it can’t be perpetuated by Christianity if it goes against Christian teaching, can it?
I mean I only need to point out the division between the church and theology
What of it?
We’re arguing about slightly different things here, while fundamentally agreeing with each other. We’re both saying these people are out of line with what they’re doing and it’s wrong. You’re saying it’s because of Christianity, and I’m saying it’s because they’re terrible people.
Basically, you’re arguing (I’m trying to steelman you here, please correct me if I’m wrong) that Christianity made them terrible people. But I’m arguing they’re terrible people using Christianity as a pretense to exert control.
Then please present why the bible is objectively not against abortion.
Your insistence that christianity is not open to interpretation on this issue is objectively wrong, as clearly there are others who do not interpret as you do. You cannot argue against this.
If this is genuinely objectively not what the bible is teaching, then christianity as a whole is a sham, because that is the prevalent teaching in christian spaces. You and your peers should probably break off and form your own flavour, as the majority of christians will not back you in this matter, including the actual institutions who claim to teach the word of god. Your insistence is that the prevalent interpretation is wrong. Think about it. Even if that is true, if the wrong teaching is prevalently being taught in christianity, then it is still a fault of christianity.
It has a lot to do with christianity. Religion is all about pushing your beliefs on to others.
Not at all. Preaching is different than pushing. Preaching is just sharing the info and letting the other person decide for themselves.
But you’re right that these anti-abortion laws are “pushing” those beliefs. However, that’s nothing to with religion itself, but people who want to exert control. Religion (the Bible) just becomes a means to do that. It’s an effective tool for those with ill intention because most people don’t really know the Bible, so it’s hard (if not impossible) to argue against somewhen when don’t know all the talking points.
So then the narrative becomes “this is what the Bible says, the Bible is from God, are you going against the word of God?”
When in reality it’s either twisting the words or just a flat out lie. The Bible makes it very clear that God’s people do not get involved with politics.
Specifically it says the world is in the power of the “wicked one”, the devil. Satan also offered Jesus control of all the world powers of Jesus performed one act of worship to Satan. This offer would have been empty, and Jesus would have known it, if Satan couldn’t make on that promise. Jesus also said “God’s people are no part of this world, just as in no part of this world” referring to him rejecting being made king.
The point I’m trying to make is that if someone actually studies the Bible, they would understand that politicizing abortion is just wrong on so many levels.
So Christianity in its common form in the US is about exerting control. But that’s not what Christianity, or religion in general, is about.
Preaching is the assumption others want to hear about your religion. It’s a bit like being a Magic the Gathering Fan boy. You’re going to tell everyone about it even though their eyes are glazed over and they have tried to change the subject 3 times in the past 5 minutes. Live a life that makes people go, hey why are you so kind and generous and loving I want to know about that, then answer their questions, otherwise you’re just another boring fanboi prattling on.
That’s beating someone over the head with a Bible. Preaching is talking about it to others. If the person says “not thanks” or “not interested” then that’s it. The act of preaching is done. Anything else beyond that is no longer preaching and is more like baggering.
I know what you’re saying and I absolutely understand, but it’s not fair to lump someone trying to be nice (and someone trying to share something they feel is positive is being nice) and someone pushing an agenda and not being happy until everyone thinks like they do. There’s a lot of middle ground to be had.
It’s everything to do with religion. They have those beliefs for a reason. Religion is the source. The belief itself is a problem.
But that’s irrelevant if the information they have is wrong (meaning the information they think they have from the Bible).
Otherwise we could just as easily say that science is a problem because flat earthers say they use science, which they do claim but we know their knowledge is science is wrong.
The problem with religion is that it’s not objective. You can’t argue that they’re wrong if they’re invoking a passage that requires interpretation. And if they believe god is supporting them in their journey, which again can’t be refuted, there is not much you can say to stop them.
I disagree. There are many things in the Bible that are very clear. The idea that the Bible requires interpretation that can be variable is not true. The issue is that you need to read the entire Bible first. Unfortunately most people take bits and pieces out of context as proof for or against something, and they often never question it further because it supports their existing worldview.
Except the Bible shows that God’s people should not be involved in politics. There’s no getting around that one.
You are inherently wrong, as clearly there are quite a few christians who disagree with you. I’d wager most. No amount of no true scotsman will get around the fact that this is an ideology perpetuated by christianity, wether you agree with how the people are going about it or not.
I mean I only need to point out the division between the church and theology🤷♀️
They can disagree with me until the end of time. It won’t change the fact that they aren’t following what the Bible teaches.
But it can’t be perpetuated by Christianity if it goes against Christian teaching, can it?
What of it?
We’re arguing about slightly different things here, while fundamentally agreeing with each other. We’re both saying these people are out of line with what they’re doing and it’s wrong. You’re saying it’s because of Christianity, and I’m saying it’s because they’re terrible people.
Basically, you’re arguing (I’m trying to steelman you here, please correct me if I’m wrong) that Christianity made them terrible people. But I’m arguing they’re terrible people using Christianity as a pretense to exert control.
Then please present why the bible is objectively not against abortion.
Your insistence that christianity is not open to interpretation on this issue is objectively wrong, as clearly there are others who do not interpret as you do. You cannot argue against this.
If this is genuinely objectively not what the bible is teaching, then christianity as a whole is a sham, because that is the prevalent teaching in christian spaces. You and your peers should probably break off and form your own flavour, as the majority of christians will not back you in this matter, including the actual institutions who claim to teach the word of god. Your insistence is that the prevalent interpretation is wrong. Think about it. Even if that is true, if the wrong teaching is prevalently being taught in christianity, then it is still a fault of christianity.
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