The Old Testament literally doesn’t contain gender neutral language, which is a large part of why this all is so messed up in the first place.
Hebrew didn’t have a neutral gender.
There was no ‘parent’ just ‘mother’ or ‘father.’
So a number of passages ended up super weird as a result, including the “he made them male and female” in Genesis 1 where a plural God makes humans male and female in ‘his’ image.
Which was the key line that’s been used for millennia now to prejudice against gender nonconformity, including its being cited in the NT regarding marriage in works written just a few years after the emperor of Rome married two different men.
The New Testament (which is what these types of groups typically point towards) was written originally in Koine Greek, which uses its version of “he” for “individual” regardless of the individual making it more “gender neutral”.
You must also understand you are looking at something old and wanting to only project today’s meanings on it. Take the English word “man”. It is reality a gender neutral word meaning “adult”, and “girl” is also a gender neutral word, meaning “child”.
So you can’t look at something and declare “well today it means this, so it must have always meant this” because this is false. So just because something today means X, you must look into it’s history to truely understand what it really meant. And when you do, you realize that the Bible really is gender neutral and trying to make it not is to alter the true mean of the Bible.
Do ya’ll think you’re being clever when you say this?
Nobody has an issue with using ‘they.’ The problem comes from those who want to force others to use ‘they’ instead of ‘he or she.’ It’s not about referring to a group of people or someone of unknown sex. It’s about a vocal minority getting really upset at statements like ‘only women can be pregnant.’
That would be the majority, and they’re not getting upset. They’re just choosing to use the language they want to use rather than letting others force them to use it.
Nah. They’re allowed to use whatever language they want.
If you have a problem with that, then you’re the one doing the ‘forcing.’
Something tells me you think “pregnant person” is okay but “pregnant woman” is not. I, personally, don’t really care and think they can use whatever language they want.
Amd now it becomes clear that “choice” isn’t what you actually care about.
Is it clear that I care about choice, now? What about you?
The only ones complaining are a group (not the whole) of Republicans. And as the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in the last 8 elections, that would show that Republicans are the minority. Democrats as a population of the USA would be the majority.
The article doesn’t say anything about anyone being forced to use gender-neutral language. The only forcing I see is the executive order from the government.
Somehow I doubt that this is really the most effective use of her time.
“Do men and women think men and women are being clever when men and women say men and women things?”
No Men or women have an issue with using “they”. The problem comes from men and women who want to force others to use “they” instead of “he or she.” Men and women are not about referring to a group of Men and women or men and women of unknown sex. Men and women are talking about a vocal minority of Men and women getting really upset at statements like “only women can be pregnant.”
I fixed all the gender neutral pronouns for you, now it makes much more sense.
Sorry, this man means: “This man fixed all the gender neutral men and women identifiers for the interlocutor who is either a man or a woman, now the man or woman text makes much more sense”
"Men and women are amazed at the amount of effort the man in front of this man or woman is willing to go through to show men and women that the man in front of this man or woman doesn’t understand the man or woman manning or womaning going on.
This man or woman is going to block this man. Tired of men and women like this man making this man’s argument thinking he is clever.
This sounds great, so they can no longer use the Bible as reasons for enacting laws as the Bible uses gender-neutral language.
A win for religious freedom.
The Old Testament literally doesn’t contain gender neutral language, which is a large part of why this all is so messed up in the first place.
Hebrew didn’t have a neutral gender.
There was no ‘parent’ just ‘mother’ or ‘father.’
So a number of passages ended up super weird as a result, including the “he made them male and female” in Genesis 1 where a plural God makes humans male and female in ‘his’ image.
Which was the key line that’s been used for millennia now to prejudice against gender nonconformity, including its being cited in the NT regarding marriage in works written just a few years after the emperor of Rome married two different men.
The New Testament (which is what these types of groups typically point towards) was written originally in Koine Greek, which uses its version of “he” for “individual” regardless of the individual making it more “gender neutral”.
You must also understand you are looking at something old and wanting to only project today’s meanings on it. Take the English word “man”. It is reality a gender neutral word meaning “adult”, and “girl” is also a gender neutral word, meaning “child”.
So you can’t look at something and declare “well today it means this, so it must have always meant this” because this is false. So just because something today means X, you must look into it’s history to truely understand what it really meant. And when you do, you realize that the Bible really is gender neutral and trying to make it not is to alter the true mean of the Bible.
https://interestingliterature.com/2023/08/woman-word-origin-etymology/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
When does the Bible use gender-neutral language?
The 10 Commandments, iirc.
Do ya’ll think you’re being clever when you say this?
Nobody has an issue with using ‘they.’ The problem comes from those who want to force others to use ‘they’ instead of ‘he or she.’ It’s not about referring to a group of people or someone of unknown sex. It’s about a vocal minority getting really upset at statements like ‘only women can be pregnant.’
The vocal minority is who’s getting upset though at others using gender neutral language.
That would be the majority, and they’re not getting upset. They’re just choosing to use the language they want to use rather than letting others force them to use it.
I believe you have “who is doing the forcing” backwards here.
Amd now it becomes clear that “choice” isn’t what you actually care about.
Nah. They’re allowed to use whatever language they want.
If you have a problem with that, then you’re the one doing the ‘forcing.’
Something tells me you think “pregnant person” is okay but “pregnant woman” is not. I, personally, don’t really care and think they can use whatever language they want.
Is it clear that I care about choice, now? What about you?
How about you just have respect for people other than yourself and call others how they ask to be called?
“In official government documents, the following exclusionary and sexist terms shall be replaced with accurate, female-affirming alternatives"
None of your problems in life are the result of a person you know (or even a person you don’t know) wanting to be referred to as ‘they.’
NONE.
Okay.
The only ones complaining are a group (not the whole) of Republicans. And as the Republicans haven’t won the popular vote in the last 8 elections, that would show that Republicans are the minority. Democrats as a population of the USA would be the majority.
So a small group of a minority would be…
I think you are expecting too much from him.
What do you mean? Did Republicans lose the popular vote in the last 8 Arkansas elections? What elections are you talking about, specifically?
You can’t really be that dense… go back and read the post, and if you are still asking this question, we will all know you’re just trolling now.
Isn’t this a small vocal minority forcing people to use gendered language even if they don’t want to use it?
Looks like the majority forcing a minority to use gendered language even though they don’t want to.
Was this passed by referendum?
Nobody is being forced to use “they”. You can still be a disrespectful asshole if you want.
Looks like this issue stems from being forced to use gender-neutral language in government documents, but I’m not an expert on the situation.
The article doesn’t say anything about anyone being forced to use gender-neutral language. The only forcing I see is the executive order from the government.
Somehow I doubt that this is really the most effective use of her time.
I think the problem is that they were forced to use gender-neutral language in the first place.
Yeah, but that’s the case with most politicians.
Show me where it says that anyone was forced to use gender-neutral language.
I think you mean
“Do men and women think men and women are being clever when men and women say men and women things?”
No Men or women have an issue with using “they”. The problem comes from men and women who want to force others to use “they” instead of “he or she.” Men and women are not about referring to a group of Men and women or men and women of unknown sex. Men and women are talking about a vocal minority of Men and women getting really upset at statements like “only women can be pregnant.”
I fixed all the gender neutral pronouns for you, now it makes much more sense.
Sorry, this man means: “This man fixed all the gender neutral men and women identifiers for the interlocutor who is either a man or a woman, now the man or woman text makes much more sense”
🥱
It’s amazing the amount of effort you’re willing to go through to show us you don’t understand what’s going on.
Gonna block you now. Tired of you people making this argument thinking it’s clever.
Sorry reality bothers you so much.
I think you mean
"Men and women are amazed at the amount of effort the man in front of this man or woman is willing to go through to show men and women that the man in front of this man or woman doesn’t understand the man or woman manning or womaning going on.
This man or woman is going to block this man. Tired of men and women like this man making this man’s argument thinking he is clever.
Sorry reality bothers this man so much."
not the Bible but “in God we trust” is a gender-neutral pronoun.
“In God men and women trust”…?
First, that’s not the Bible. Second, “we” is not “gender-neutral”, it’s just the standard 1st person plural
huh. TIL. what gender is it?
Not one to refer to an individual, that’s for sure
Look, I know it’s sophistry, but so is the EO in the OP. But the fact of the matter is
are all gender-neutral. Some of them can’t logically refer to gender, true, but that doesn’t make them start being gendered either.
EDIT: ANNNND many of them do refer to an individual (I, me, you…)