Switch to Linux!
From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.
Microsoft, please google “dystopia”
“I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that. Perhaps you want me to Bing “dystopia” instead?”
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The non denominational diety in THX 1138 (George lucas’ first film?)
Shit. Is this the future.
Clippy never really went away, he’s just been evolving this whole time into something more and more annoying with each new iteration.
Honestly If it was branded as clippy I’d at least get a chuckle instead of distain at first glance lol
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
I genuinely do not get the hype of integrating LLMs fucking everywhere. There are places it makes sense, like word processors and email clients. Then there are places it doesn’t make sense, like as an aside in my desktop environment. No one’s going to use it. It’s Cortana all over again.
Except I used Cortana all the time on my windows phone before they trashed that idea
It’s nothing but trend chasing, just like when microdick turned their server UIs into tablet UIs because they were seething at apple for the ipad.
The whole tablet UI switching had huge potential - particularly for 2-in-ones and to a lesser extent, mobile devices, but Microsoft absolutely butchered it in its infancy with atrocious execution, and by having the hubris to hobble their primary use-case (desktop) for the sake of pushing their half-baked nonsense into the mobile market. Users didn’t do themselves any favours by not understanding that you could just hit start then type the first couple of letters of what you want to launch (what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).
To me, it all reeks of designers/PMs/devs putting forward a super-promising concept, which was ruined by a bunch of overpaid MBA dipshits that thought they knew better.
(what kind of website double-clicking weirdo clicks through the whole start menu without pinned links or search anyway?).
So-called “muscle memory” runs deep with seasoned users. With Windows, if they started with Win95 there’s a lot of that to push back against.
Also, a lot of people who use computers daily are doing so by rote, sometimes to the point of sheer minimalism. Not everyone has turned thousands of hours at a keyboard into a deeper understanding of the system they use.
I get putting it here but it should probably just be in the normal search. Search is shit on every os in general. LLM could theoretically help it find actually relevant stuff (and filter out the kink it usually surfaces).
Not enshitification, cause they’re not jacking up the price to put Show Desktop back. Just bad UI.
I don’t wanna defend Microsoft here cause yk fuck them but I’ma guess most people didn’t even know the show desktop was there tbh or if they did use it but then again I’ve never understood why it was there I never use it
Hide desktop is useful if you have many non-minimized windows and you don’t want to minimize each one. I can vouch for that button 😎.
Or if you’re a psychopath with a desktop full of icons and files. Shudders
Yeah, I hink its super useful too. But i usually use win+d.
I’ve known it was there but never used it.
Muscle memory abuse
That’s what made me refuse to use the Reddit official app before their API garbage. Every update was a gamble as to whether they’d try to make me spend money through muscle memory.
reminds me of discord
Never used it. It asked for my phone number for verification when I tried to sign up, a long time back. I was like
I guess user name does not check out.
I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.
Very true.
Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.
Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you’ll have to move from that abandonware.
Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.
Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime…
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Imagine when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : “I’mma just stay with my abandonware forever.”
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it’s what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don’t want to spend a week learning new “muscle memory”.
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.
I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.
Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
friendly reminder that https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.
A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars
You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don’t care about this sort of shit and it’s the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.
inevitably run into a problem with Linux
This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problem.
It’s just Luddites crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software that has a bunch of unfixable problems.
Same shit happens with windows, my guy. “WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP/98 WHAAAAAA”, at least it’s often partially valid for windows…
Luddites are not exclusive to any particular OS.If someone is having a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users, we’ll literally provide better tech support than Windows will ever have.
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Literally, YOU right now.
Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else’s opinion.Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
It’s simply functionally inferior now.
It’s functionally superior in many ways, and here’s the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.
Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.
Literally, YOU right now.
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don’t care about you in particular.
Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
Wrong.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care. Just like you don’t care about what I use.
its actually maintainable and expandable.
Yes, I’m sure somewhere 10 years after I’ll use it after it’s been finally expanded to something usable.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.
Too bad
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions
You answer you’re own opinions? funny.
Wrong
CWM : stacking window manger
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.FVWM : Tab Window Manager
DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.You’re factually disproven.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care…
I’m sure somewhere 10 years after…Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.
If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you’ll just have to build it yourself scrub.
The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…
“Microsoft continually makes their OS worse, but every time they do, Linux users come into the comment section telling me I should switch, so I’m not going to.”
People don’t switch just because of some minor inconvenience (as if Linux didn’t have any…) and outside of Lemmy/the Fediverse echo chamber very few people are concerned about privacy. They will switch (maybe) if the new tool works better for them than thge previous one. Otherwise, why should they bother? Linux is my primary OS since many years, but it isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.
This echo chamber gets LOUD, too!
Maybe they are not Linux users, maybe they are Microsoft employees trying to keep you on Windows by making Linux users look obnoxious.
The thing is, is that it really doesn’t affect people in the way you guys seem to imagine.
I’ve used Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Currently use Windows for work as a C# . net, SQL / GraphQL, and React TypeScript developer and although I was shocked they’re all pro windows, coming from MacOS. Once you get used to it you don’t really notice the shit stuff as you just do what you’re doing.
I would still rate my experiences in this order though: MacOS, Linux, Windows. Best to worst, but like I said even though in now use the worst in my opinion it really doesn’t have much of an impact. Plus if I were to use Linux I’d need to geek out and waste so much time configuring it and I’m past that stage.
I work in healthcate and use windows, at work and at home if I need to do work related stuff. I don’t mind windows at work as it’s been configured for the purpose and all the shitty bits are switched off - something Microsoft let’s it’s business users do. It’s a decent operating system when it’s set up to do what it needs to do, and I’m very familiar with it from using it since Windows 95.
I used to use windows at home and had Linux for occasional interest. But in the last few years I’ve moved away from windows and now I’m on Linux as my main driver on multiple devices.
For home users Windows is getting pretty shitty - it steals data all the time with numerous privacy settings you have to set to try and stop it, it tries to force you ads, it tries to force you to use its Web browser, it bundles lots of sponsored apps and when it does a big update it resets alot of your choices on privacy plus reinstalls removed bundle apps. It also throws new “features” at you which take up resources and impact privacy. Like Xbox gaming - I didn’t ask for it, I don’t want it, stop installing it every year and stop forcing an overlay on my own games.
It’s really a chore to use windows now; it feels like a constant battle to make sure it’s not intruding on your data and privacy or showing you ads. I now use windows as the exception when there is a specific game that doesn’t work in Linux. The rest of the time I boot into Linux, or use a separate work provided Windows device for home working.
I know it’s probably a case of “who asked” but I guess I just mean I get that windows can be decent for work related stuff (or necessary) but when it comes to personal stuff it’s a bit of a nightmare. And I guess it also comes down to whether the privacy invasion and advertising bothers users. Bothers me a lot, but some people don’t seem to care how the customer has become the product.
Most people don’t care because most of your problems are all privacy related. And that’s what Linux people don’t seem to get. They rant and rave about how much better Linux is… for privacy. But the average Joe doesn’t know or care that data is being collected and for the most part it doesn’t affect them. It’s just some Boogeyman being thrown at them. What they care about is ease of use and convience. They don’t dig into those details because, for the most part, they’re not even aware.
When Linux people say it’s a “better experience”, they largely mean detailed customization and more privacy.
When Windows people say it’s a “better experience”, they mostly mean that it’s the same relatively easy to use experience on every device and it Just Works®.
They’re both right. But each side argues their side of the conversation not seeing that the other side has a perfectly justified use case for theirs. It’s like arguing that everyone should drive a van and not understanding why someone might not want one.
Ask most people if they’re okay with the government installing cameras/microphones in their own home. If someone says they’re sincerely okay with that then hopefully we can agree there is a difference between having a preference and not understanding what is in their own best interests. I draw the line further; the same applies for privacy of your own computing.
Get AutoCAD on Linux and I’m there buddy. Some of us need to work.
True, the biggest sore points of Linux is Windows software support. This probably won’t work for you because you seem to use AutoCAD for work, but for me I was able to just find alternatives to programs that were not available anymore when I switched to Linux.
For sure. I would love to ditch Autocad, but that would require me convincing my entire industry. I hate AutoCAD.
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It’s OK if it’s FOSS. Imagine if Adobe Acrobat was FOSS and PDF was an open standard - it would have double the features and 10 times less suck.
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Autodesk is the only entity who would be able to do that, due to the code being proprietary.
Not impossible to happen, though. Autodesk already has Maya available for Linux.
Obviously there are alternatives like FreeCAD, but alternatives aren’t always an option.
Also, while AutoCAD might not work right now, WINE is getting better rapidly, and, while not guaranteed, it (along with Adobe programs) could theoretically work in the future without them needing to port the software. Of course, the companies porting the software would be the preferred solution here.
I’m personally not a fan of relying on proprietary technology for work, but most people are not in control of what their boss says they have to use, and the concept of proprietary “industry standards” continues to be a thing, partly due to lobbying and giving free copies to educators (Autodesk. Adobe, Apple, Google, and Microsoft are all very guilty of this). Unfortunately, I don’t see that changing soon.
Hell forget about AutoCAD, what about word and EXCEL. now you and Linux dudebros will tell me there are alternatives on Linux like libre office and what not. To them I say this
- Make a document in libreoffice , try to save it as docx and see what says libreoffice, or make a doc in word and adjust formatting, try to open same doc in libre office and see what shit show it becomes
- Hand down no body can beat ms excel, on multiple platforms, the versality is not just complex formulas but functions like xlookup, index match , combined with VBA scripting with formulas that can low-key fight python , power tables are unparalleled, if you can replicate these without A SINGLE COMMAND line input for dumb users like us That would the win.
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Blame Microsoft for not conforming to their own standard. There’s a reason the EU uses ODF instead of the mess that is OOXML. Different versions of MS Office aren’t even fully compatible with each other. Also nowadays, you can use Office 365 in a web browser. For desktop, there is LibreOffice and OnlyOffice, which have okay compatibility. MS Office can also open ODF files, as is legally mandated by the EU, since it would be considered anticompetative if they didn’t.
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I don’t use those functions of Excel, so I can’t comment. Also to be clear, are you asking if you can program without a Terminal? I’m not even sure what the question is. VBA is a proprietary Microsoft-specific scripting language, so of course there won’t be native support for that in non-Windows OSs, although there might be a reverse engineering effort I’m not familiar with.
Blaming Linux for a problem that Microsoft caused and won’t solve due to anticompetative practices is just dumb. Microsoft basically invented the concept of Embrace, Extend, extinguish, and Office is a prime example of that.
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I for one enjoy salty Microsoft tears, just makes me feel better with my choice completely ditching them.
Keep 'em coming.
Literally what? I’m a Linux user bro
It wasn’t directed to you, it is directed to people constantly crying about their choice
Exactly. As a musician many paid music plugins simply don’t work on Linux because of all the installers attached to them. Also, I design with the Adobe suite for my work, also not viable on Linux (I believe?). I would love to use Linux, but for my needs it’s simply a no go.This is what annoys me about all the “just use linux” comments. There are usecases where it’s simply not an option.
I’ve gotten every single Windows VST I’ve used working on Linux with WINE. Some of them require extra work (Serum and anything needing Native Access specifically), but they still work.
I’ve also tried both Ableton and FL Studio in WINE, and they both work fine as well.
Adobe suite is something I don’t have experience with, though.
Hmm interesting. I’m a Cubase user with many steinberg plugins and some Arturia stuff. When I googled it, I didn’t seem to find much information about Linux support. But maybe I should give it a try. Thanks for sharing!
Can’t hurt! Might run into a speedbump or two where you have to do a DLL override or something, but you might get lucky and not have to do anything.
I haven’t tried Cubase, though.
Ableton working in Wine you say…? Thank you for sharing, as that would be excellent to try! :)
Yeah. I’d still recommend Ableton users try out Bitwig, though, regardless of OS. It’s a fantastic DAW that also happens to have native Linux support.
But yeah, Ableton should work fine with WINE, along with your VSTs. Make sure you use WINEASIO along with JACK. Pipewire works, but I’ve notoced that it eats up more resources than just using JACK directly, similar to using ASIO in Windows.
I’m gonna keep eating unhealthy food in large quantities, nobody should tell me what to do or what works for me…
I’m so glad I switched to linux
i’m glad i did too, but i do not like the trend toward immutability and flatpacks
For every distro that’s immutable and using flat packs you’ve got 2 distros that rail against this. There’s plenty of Linux people who can’t do with immutability so there’ll be plenty of distributions that don’t use these concepts.
Personally, for a computer for your non-techie family member I think these concepts rock.
just don’t use them like the vast silent majority, they are not going to become a universal standard
Linux. You’ll be glad you did.
Free. Easy to install. Never gets viruses. Never crashes. Rock solid.
Runs good on old machines. Runs like lightning on new machines.
I’ve installed it for 3 old ladies (3 separate installs). They like its simplicity and low-bullshit.
I personally use Debian with a Mate desktop.
“Never Crashes”, “Runs like Lightning on new machines” Am I doing this wrong? I tried Ubuntu, Zorin OS, Linux Mint- I get crashes and errors which doesn’t explain what the error is, instead shows some code lines. Runs like Lightning on new machines- In my 13600K build, Windows 11 feels noticeably faster, and I’m able to use all my onboard stuff like Optical Audio Out, WiFI 6 connects to 5GHz properly, unlike Linuxmint. I think I lack the technical expertise to run linux. I have been building PCs for like 20 years now.
This is my experience.
It’s fine, but always glitchy niggly things.
Wild guess, Nvidia GPU?
6750 XT.
I know this will usually draw the ire of more experienced users (yes I use Arch btw) but if you really want an install that is as hands-off and foolproof as possible you are generally gonna be better off with an Ubuntu distro.
I put Kubuntu on PCs for beginners/noobs because it gives them access to more advanced options if they need them in the future while also typically being fully functional out of the box.
Ubuntu distros typically have extensive hardware support and a lot of testing. Yeah it’s not going to be the most cutting-edge but you don’t want that, you want it to “just work”
Linux is tough man
you probably are doing it wrong ;)
the problem is cutting edge devices where vendors only publish windows drivers - often friendly hackers have to develop their own drivers to make your stuff work. for users with such hardware the free software experience is often sub-par and they probably won’t try it anytime soon. but for everyone else, casual i-only-browse-text-and-watch-videos-on-my-rather-standard-build-users will usually find ad-free, smoothly running no-bullshit (or depending on the distro maybe little-bullshit) computing experience. it’s a shame hardware vendors are allowed to only publish drivers for windows.
it’s one of the few cases where people with more expertise (i.e. you who builds your own machibe) get a less satisfying result. i’d suggest you try again with spare parts from your last build ;)
“Rock solid, never crashes, runs like lightening on new hardware!*”
* - some exceptions apply
top-level commenter says new machines, not all hardware you could possibly attach to whichever bus your mobo offers, but yeah
downvote me again for pointing out that it’s hardware vendors duty to offer drivers for the OS of your choice not your duty to shit on some kernel for not supporting hardware you bought from (excuse my french) shitty vendors
Dude, chill. It was a joke dunking on the idea that Linux is perfect that the top level was complaining about and which you weren’t defending, it was not a slam on you.
And I was almost exactly quoting their quote, including “new hardware”, so I have no clue where you’re pulling that from.
I didn’t downvote your first comment, but I would your reply if I could for being so off the rails
Ya but I need to use Adobe software
I can see MS paying Adobe to NOT release Linux versions of their software.
Probably. Doesn’t change the fact that it renders linux useless on my workstation.
I have fedora on my laptop tho.
My issue with Linux at the minute is all the different app stores and package managers.
It doesn’t really bother me tbh.
KDE’s Discover app pulls from the distro package manager, snap, and flat hub. AppImages to me are like “portable” executables and don’t really need an app store. However you can use Gear Lever to update them.
I mean, I agree. But sometimes you’re kinda forced by damn app compatibility. Although, if you have the choice I’d say make the jump. If you’ve no experience there’s a learning curve but it’s worth it.
Worth it how? I feel like every post that claims about how much better Linux is after handling a bunch of tweaks and hacks and workarounds to get into baseline functional doesn’t really get into what actually makes it better. After all of that heavy lifting, you’re already at a disadvantage and I still hear nothing of the benefits. I start to wonder if the “better” is justification for all the effort that goes into tricking it to work rather than being meaningfully superior.
The good news is, it’s easy to try and see for yourself ;)
Head over to an easy distro (like Linux Mint or Ubuntu for example) and create a live USB. Boot your computer on that USB, try the live environment.
You’ll see if your hardware works as expected. If it does, you’re golden, you can proceed to install and have zero problem down the road.
If it doesn’t, and you don’t feel like troubleshooting to make it work, you can just remove the USB stick, reboot your computer and continue using Windows.
Mileage varies a lot while using Linux. It’s really great these days, but there are always some edge cases. I use Linux on my gaming desktop, and it crashes often because part of my pleasure is trying out stuff, breaking my install and do it all over again.
I also use Linux on my work laptop, and it has not crashed once in 4 years.
I wanted to install Linux on my SO’s laptop because they liked the idea. I tried the live environment, never managed to get the wifi card to work, gave up, and they still use windows. When the laptop dies, the replacement will probably be a refurbished thinkpad where everything usually works out of the box.All in all, it’s always been worth it to me: my laptop is faster and more stable than those of my colleagues, I don’t have to deal with Microsoft’s bullshit, I don’t come late to meetings because my computer was updating…
My gaming desktop is my fun machine, I’ve learned a lot on it and when I just want to game I roll back to a stable snapshot.Also, don’t underestimate the representation issues. I think that people who have trouble with a Linux install have the reflex to ask online on Lemmy, Reddit or forums, while people who have trouble with their Windows install just live with it or bring it back to the shop.
I just installed arch on a friend PC that is just one of those old intel dual core without integrated graphics and I am just surprised it ran as good as on my ryzen 3400g
I use Fedora with Gnome Desktop and it runs so well you will not be disappointed
they are really tempting me to switch to linux already
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
10+ years with Linux as my daily driver (yeah I’m old). When my os updates, it’s almost always with some feature that’s pretty neat.
Nowadays the steamdeck or some combo of Linux with steam can play my games, do my work, and I actively make other people’s lives better when I contribute.
I flirted with gnome this install around. I’m so lazy to reinstall yet again to get back to my previous plasma. Seriously Linux is a way better experience these days, I wish those that could would just give it an honest shot. The learning curve isn’t too bad once you understand a couple things.
Gnome is awful. It’s almost as bad as windows. Basically 0 customization, and getting worse every release. I can’t even fathom how you would voluntarily switch from plasma to gnome and not immediately switch back
Have you tried gaming on Linux lately? You don’t need Windows anymore except if you use GamePass, because MS has locked that software down to Windows. The only problem game I had was The Finals until recently, and it now works on Linux. Besides that the only issue is I can’t mod Baulder’s Gate 1 because it requires injecting things and that doesn’t work with Linux as far as I can figure out. The game runs fine.
Didin’t Linux had FreeCAD?
Ubuntu used to be animals!
Windows 11 offers nothing better than Windows 10, but there’s a few key things that don’t work as good/bugged on win11 for me. Should have not updated I think
Honestly If I’m going to upgrade my OS it’s gonna be Linux not Windows 11
I just went out of my way to buy a refurbished laptop with Win10 instead of a brand new one with Win11.
The only thing windows 11 had that windows 10 didnt is wslg ( the integrated x server in windows substystem for linux, aka the linux vm inside windows ), but they ported that to win10 last year. Fuck windows 11…
There’s performance issues with this years windows updates especially if you have an amd CPU
This is the Last time I update win 11, only exception is their security patches they not buggy.
Bluetooth connection on win 11 is an awful drop in quality
Okay it’s not just me
Windows is shitty—don’t get me wrong. But for all my coursework it’s pretty annoying to do on Linux. Especially Office, and yes I am well aware it’s a MS product and that Linux-support will likely never come. Though the limited online version of Office or LibreOffice don’t quite cut it for me. Besides, running it with Wine or in a VM is too much of a hassle.
So “Switch to Linux!” is not really a solution for some. Let’s hope that’ll change in the future.
With that said, fuck Microsoft! I use NixOS btw.
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
Install this. You will thank me later.
I did one better. I installed Linux
Goody for you
Purchase licence key
No, thanks.
Open shell?
This is the way.
This is the way
its very reasonable
There are free OS alternatives out there (which I suspect you already use but just want to poop on other’s parade).
I assume that if someone’s already using Windows, a paid OS, they are willing to pay $2 to make it usable.
I prefer if persistent, high-permission code running on my machine is FOSS, and support the devs if I see it’s useful
I prefer it too, but if something works well and saves me time and effort for $2, I don’t make a big deal out of it. I also need to accomplish things other than monkeying around with my computer.
idk who pays for windows these days but go you
Almost everyone pays for Windows. Notice how computers that let you not include it in the order get cheaper.
not everyone buys prebuilts but I haven’t had any actual windows license since like windows 7 I just use a random key off a PC work is throwing out oh just don’t register the shit
Not open source. Use:
- Open Shell
- brings a normal Start Menu back as well as an optional taskbar in Explorer
- Explorer Patcher
- revives Explorer’s “commented-out code”, bringing back functionality from previous Windows versions: optionally translucent taskbar without blur, seconds display in calendar popup, optionally the weather widget and many many more
- CTT winutil
- installs/updates various free programs for you with one click, one-stop-shop for all kinds of recommended debloat/freedom settings
- MSEdge Redirect
- self-explanatory: all Bing queries from within the OS apps go to your preferred search engine & default browser instead
- Open Shell
classic shell does the same thing for free I’ll pass
Thanks. My win11 install is coming up. Looks like I may need this. Bookmarked
There are more ways to make Windows suck less, even open source ones: https://feddit.de/comment/7447632 Of course, pick whatever is best for you, but FOSS is ultimately safer (and free!).
If it’s not a link to an Ubuntu LiveCD, I’m leaving Lemmy
Come on people I’m joking. You can unclench your butthills
Ditch Ubuntu too. Mint or OpenSuse are very good alternatives.
Ubuntu server is fine relax
With how they keep shoving snaps at everyone? At my work a migration to Debian is starting to be openly pondered.
Everyone: Don’t say anything sensitive or personal to an AI because it could end up in training data!
Microsoft: We’re making it easier to feed everything you do on your computer to an AI from notepad to your desktop!
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Notepad++
Even reads and formats/highlights code
I mean, it doesn’t matter what you use when the operating system already comes with a built-in keylogger enabled by default.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.
People be like:
tbf I get it. Sometimes you just want to be mad.
But like, it’s Microsoft’s fault.
I don’t think this meme applies here. The person who’s mad isn’t the one using Windows. They got mad about a “problem” someone else was having and decided to use it as an excuse to push Linux.
Exactly. The Linux bros are not offering a solution. They are the same people as the “just move” people. Annoying ass trolls.
But moving costs money, switching to linux costs nothing (if you have free cloud storage or a second drive to backup and migrate important data, even then you could get one of those for cheap or free depending on your needs), and with how linux is these days there are distros that are as plug and play as windows for basic tasks that most people do, and a welcoming community and infinite resources to make learning curves small if you want to take on something more advanced. Further than that Linux can be more friendly, allowing easy configuration and GUIs to do things that would require “hacking” to do on windows or third party bloated applications.
I’m on a more advanced distro, but it’s basically easy-mode arch skipping the technical set up stage, and honestly it is not hard to pick up at all, if I did what I did on windows my experience would be roughly the same except I designed my own task bar set up and my PC has been running quieter and more efficiently, everything past that is me tailoring my experience past what a normal user would do.
I tried linux a decade ago and it was sluggish in the UI and didn’t have support for a lot of things but these days it feels 99% to what windows is for me with some extras. It’s time to switch for people on the fence, especially with the rapid enshittification of things.
I think the hurdle isn’t money but time, and yes it takes quite a bit of time to learn a new OS, figure out why your graphics card is running so slow, move your files to an external drive and back, find alternatives to the programs you use and learn their quirks and missing features, learn the difference between apt-get and snap and flatpak when programs only support one, figure out what a .tar.gz file is and how to install one (what was that chain of commands with “sudo make” in it), find tweaks and workarounds to get certain games working in Proton, and do that all again if you don’t like the distro (because Linux users love suggesting new distros)
Linux isn’t a solution if you play competitive multiplayer games, which most people do.
Edit: keep being classy basement trolls, you’re only proving my statements about the shittiness of the linux community with every downvote.
which most people do.
Lolwhut?
Most people who play competitive multiplayer games (a minority of total users) do so on console
“But the controller is an inferior aiming device”
“Yeah and the foot is an inferior ball handling device, but soccer still exists as a game”
“Hey I have a problem with my Samsung”
“Drop it and get an iPhone instead”
This is what you guys are like.
When people tell you to use Linux, they’re not telling you that to solve your immediate problem (e.g. your “show desktop” icon has been replaced with a different icon), but they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft, because that is the real problem: Microsoft does not respect you, the end-user of their product, and this kind of abusive shit will keep happening for as long as you keep using Windows.
Who asked you for help with our relationship? I believe someone complained about a random feature change. And here you are. Telling everyone to just fuck off and switch completely. It’s insane.
JFC people like you … You have like the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I’ve ever seen. I swear the only reason you are getting so angry and defensive when people recommend Linux is because deep down you know they’re speaking the truth.
No. It’s annoying being told the only solution is to throw everything out the window and start over. No stockholm syndrome I run a Ubuntu server and ran arch when I was 14. Fuck off with your stupid takes and offer a real solution to the problem.
Fuck off with your stupid takes
Yeah, real mature take you have there buddy.
offer a real solution to the problem.
“My husband always beats me when he is drunk. Don’t tell me to leave him, just tell me how I get him to stop beating me”
^ This is you basically.
they are telling you to get out of your abusive relationship with Microsoft
And how well has that worked so far?
For people like me who took that advice: pretty damn great actually, thanks for asking!
How many people have you managed to convert in this thread?
Even if it’s only one, I will have helped one person, unlike you who has only been bitching and moaning.
iPhone is $999+, Linux is completely free.
It’s funny this meme of iPhones being expensive is still a thing.
The cheapest one is under $450.
why would anyone buy an even more pos phone. I had a 12 and 13 before my pixel there is nothing good about them, unless you are insecure about people’s thoughts on what color your msgs are. also you don’t need to copy and paste you comment on everyone’s damn comment no one give a fuck.
You need to chill.
I responded to a grand total of 2 comments with the same sentiment but they were not copies of each other. The over the top aggressive response is completely unwarranted.
What’s more is that yours and my mom don’t need flagship phone performance and what you refer to as a “pos phone” would do just fine for the vast majority of people’s use cases without coming close to utilizing all available resources.
I’m correcting the evidently popular belief that iPhones are expensive. As it turns out, only the expensive ones are expensive. Imagine that.
Your solution isn’t a solution though it’s like saying that the solution to drowning is to set yourself on fire. It’s just a different kind of problem.
No it isn’t.
It’s more like saying: if that guy you hang out with keeps pushing you into the water and you almost drown every time, perhaps you should stop hanging out with that guy.
Of course, that’s not what people who are in an abusive relationship typically want to hear.
It’s hardly a big deal, none of what Microsoft has done is really that annoying. Individually they are barely even noteworthy.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass to have to go through so Microsoft would have to do something seriously messed up for me to even want to put up with it. I’m not assuming that I could find equivalent programs that even ran on Linux.
Switching to Linux is a huge pain in the ass.
This is literally how MacOS and long time Linux users feel when switching to Windows.
I rarely see that,. But what I see all the time is Linux lovers being toxic fanboys trying to shove their “passion” down everyone’s throat. Also, 99% of them being wrong about what it can “offer”.
Its a pure superiority complex fanbase.
Complaining about Linux and Linux users happens in every Windows-related thread, and you are doing it right now.
As a slight aside I am also sooo tired of people calling talking about something “shoving down our throats”. People talking about someone you don’t care for is not physically assaulting you. That expression seems to exist solely for people to wind themselves up over stuff that absolutely doesn’t justify that level of outrage.
It’s shoving down throats when Linux is brought up in every single Windows discussion. The complaints about Linux are in response to Linux users never being able to just let it lie, people aren’t just bitching in a void.
This is absolutely not people being mad for people just talking about something. I have an extremely hard time believing you truly believe that is the issue here.
There are countless places to discuss Linux without bringing it into the comments of every Windows post. Windows users are not commenting on every post in the Linux communities about how much more straightforward running Windows is.
It would be like vegan eaters commenting about how good it is to be vegan on every post in food communities that features non-vegan food.
Lol this is a thread that was started because of a minor cosmetic windows issue, where the proposed solution in the original post is to switch to Linux.
It’s Linux users shitting on Windows to begin with… With the response being essentially “Linux doesn’t meet my needs”.
I used to think evangelicals were bad, but this is a whole new level…
I love Linux, but it’s extremely annoying how many threads there are showing a mildly annoying and optional feature in Windows with 10 people replying “Use Linux!”. As if Linux doesn’t have a ridiculous number of UX problems itself.
Well maybe stop suggesting that the solution to every tiny little cosmetic inconvenience is to completely switch operating systems to one that has notoriously flakey hardware support.
Ah yes notoriously flakey hardware support. Like Microsoft doesn’t used it to power their entire cloud platform. The hardware support argument is dying tbh used to be true about 20 years ago
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
Maybe try another distro?
Also I’m curious. What distro were you testing with?
Maybe suggest a solution instead of a fucking entire new OS. It’s like the “just move” people.
I think the problem here is that a majority of the power to change lies in Microsoft’s hands. It’s their OS, and there’s not a whole ton we can do to halt their constant, greedy arrogance.
So, switching to Linux isn’t the easiest “solve all your problems” solution, but in the long run it simply removes a lot of stress of constantly wondering what stupidity Microsoft is going to force on you next because they “know better” and figuring out how to counter it with some hacky fix. (But also knowing no matter how hard you try, the thing is built to profit off of you.)
If somehow we could make Windows feel like it was OURS instead of THEIRS again, I’m sure people would be all for it.
The last time I tested the waters it was with Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu. Each one had some kind of issue on my system that made me give up.
I usually check in once a year or so to see if things have improved.
These are all Debian based. Debian is notorious for using old kernels and spotty hardware support. I had similar issues trying to install Ubuntu on a new-ish PC recently. Fedora worked like a charm though.
I was tempted to try Nobara since it was a gaming pc but I was discouraged by opinions from the community telling me it was not exactly the best idea.
Next time I might go for Bluefin though. It’s based on Fedora Silverblue (immutable OS) and I’ve heard great things about it. Apparently also has GPU drivers for NVIDIA baked-in, which I need.
I would say “notoriously flakey hardware support” is a false statement these days
Nope, still true of the last time I tried Linux last year. The sound system stopped working after every reboot, and clicking the distro’s built-in update button completely trashed the system.
But it doesn’t have an AI button in the corner, so I guess that solves my problem!
Nope. And that’s the problem and why people like us tell the Linux fan boys to fuck off.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Well in my personal experience it has been rock solid
Fuck linux, the’ve had 30 years to make a consumer grade product but NoooOOooo all the devs spend their energy making 50 different weakly compatible distros that no one needs.
I’ll say it again, fuck linux. Fuck linux and its shitty community of elitist basement trolls.
Maybe the mods wouldn’t be an asshole to you if you didn’t act like one yourself
As is everyone taking every possible opportunity to mention Linux. It’s not like we don’t know it exists, we don’t need constantly reminding that it’s an option.
Although it isn’t an option for a vast number of reasons, but mostly because corporate IT requires systems that run only on Windows. Therefore the only solution is Windows so the fact another operating system exists is utterly irrelevant and yet somehow you guys constantly keep mentioning it. Then we constantly have to point out that lots and lots of programs don’t run on Linux and then you will inhibitively start going on about Wine. It’s tiring. I would love it if we could have a conversation about Microsoft without having to pretend that other operating systems are viable alternatives.
Or how about
- You can’t easily define what apps start with startup
- Even when wine is installed , lot of programs won’t run in wine
- You cannot easily find where the program is installed like you can in windows
- You attach a external disk but some apps won’t see it mounted making it Impossible to explore in their file picker , not all but some
- There is almost huge lack of programs , for which there is huge possibility that a windows program exists.
- There is constant need to use terminal for lot of things for which you can’t a program see point 4.
I keep telling Linux is still not for common home use for users who are in between power users and people only using it for browsing. This will get me downvotes here on Lemmy all the time . Linux edge lords are their own bubble.
If Linux is not for you that’s understandable. The thing here is that they are not having a conversation about Microsoft. They are having the pettiest, least technical possible discussion about Linux, it’s devolving to pure clique shit talking.
If you want to talk about Microsoft, just talk about Microsoft.
Problem is, whenever you try taking about Microsoft, someone just has to interject and be like “yeah you should be using Linux instead”
Why is micro shit even the first choice? Go ChromeOS or something cool. Smh
Because MS puts work into backwards compatibility, so the business who paid someone to write an app for them 30 years ago can still use it today on a Win11 box. No shot of that happening on macOS, who has deprecated PowerPC and 32-bit support, and Linux is just too much of a wildcard.
‘Just switch to Linux’ isn’t a solution to a problem. It’s a tired and lazy ass response that is frankly starting to make me dislike this place.
I mean “Just fix Microsoft and change its direction to be less consistently hostile and disrespectful of users” is a solution…
“Put an end to the data and attention harvesting economy” is another.
…but…switching OSs was easier for me personally, until we figure out how to wrangle a tech behemoth or fix underlying problems with human civilization.
When “this lemon is too sour” is the problem, maybe “here, try this orange” is the solution. Can you imagine responding like “No! People are always talking about oranges! I’m sick of it and won’t try one!” Ridiculous…
Trying an orange is a lot easier than creating a boot USB, copying all your files over to an external hard drive, installing a new OS, fixing weird things like the graphics card having crap performance or the laptop screen brightness not dimming, learning the weird 3 letter file structure, being bogged down by apt-get vs snaps vs flatpak and adding repos (why not search and download an .exe like a normal OS), realizing that your more specialized programs don’t work, etc.
Besides, it’s not just ONE person, seeming everyone says it every time a lemon has a scratch or a blemish or too many seeds. And then they dramatize it by calling it an “abusive relationship”.
“or the screen brightness not dimming”
This. Have this issue on my laptop, tried to fix it, didn’t work. Not gonna bother with Linux now when I’ve had this issue happen to me both on said laptop and my desktop
I can see the appeal in Linux and wouldn’t mind continuing to use it, but I will stick with Windows because I am more familiar with it and because I play games that can only run on it (Not saying this part to you but just in general)
Yup. I’m about over lemmy cause of this shit. Linux bros are worse than vegans.
Agreed, just glance at the linked Reddit thread and it’s refreshing how little Linux is mentioned. I’m really tired of seeing it (and related FOSS circlejerking) on every vaguely related Lemmy thread and I suspect that’s where most of the “Linux bashing” is coming from, we’re just sick of it.
It happens because Linux users are like vegans. They can’t shut up about it. And they don’t realize that using Linux doesn’t make them special or a member of some cool club nor does it mean that they have any friends.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people spam “USE LINOOX INSTEAD!”
