Leave won by a margin of 3.78%. There was also very little talk of leaving the single market. In fact much of the talk that there was of that came from the Remain campaign and was shouted down as project fear.
Everyone knew that brexit means leaving the single market. The entire point of Brexit was to ‘take back control’. People voted for this Brexit in 2019. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
Yeah, British people got played dirty. A lead of 3,78% is not a real mandate for such a strong move. There was so much propaganda out there - anyone remember the NHS bus? Does anyone remember how much Russian influence campaigns were going on even then? And how extreme the British media was?
Many residents of the UK were not allowed to vote, all EU citizens for example or younger people, and they are also massively affected. And now, 8 years on, many of the older voters have also died. So “well, you voted for this, get fucked by your own greedy elites” is not the best argument to solve this mess
While I generally agree with you, it is not up to us EUropeans to sort out this mess but up to the Brits.
They made a decision and if they do not like the results of said decision, they should have it again.
What propaganda targeted was British exceptionalism and that exceptionalism is ultimately what drove the Brexit movement. Do you think that has disappeared from Britain with the older voters? I wouldn’t say so. Whenever there are online discussions about UK rejoining the EU there are brits who don’t want to join as a “regular” member. They want to rejoin with some of the benefits they had before Brexit, they want special treatment. To me that says that British exceptionalism is still very much alive and kicking.
There is a simple way to solve the mess, it’s rejoining the EU. But Britain doesn’t want that so I think the “well, you voted for this, get fucked by your own greedy elites” (to put it in your words) still applies.
Leave won by a margin of 3.78%. There was also very little talk of leaving the single market. In fact much of the talk that there was of that came from the Remain campaign and was shouted down as project fear.
Everyone knew that brexit means leaving the single market. The entire point of Brexit was to ‘take back control’. People voted for this Brexit in 2019. They made their bed, now they can lie in it.
Brexit means Brexit, not breakfast in Paris.
Yeah, British people got played dirty. A lead of 3,78% is not a real mandate for such a strong move. There was so much propaganda out there - anyone remember the NHS bus? Does anyone remember how much Russian influence campaigns were going on even then? And how extreme the British media was?
Many residents of the UK were not allowed to vote, all EU citizens for example or younger people, and they are also massively affected. And now, 8 years on, many of the older voters have also died. So “well, you voted for this, get fucked by your own greedy elites” is not the best argument to solve this mess
While I generally agree with you, it is not up to us EUropeans to sort out this mess but up to the Brits. They made a decision and if they do not like the results of said decision, they should have it again.
What propaganda targeted was British exceptionalism and that exceptionalism is ultimately what drove the Brexit movement. Do you think that has disappeared from Britain with the older voters? I wouldn’t say so. Whenever there are online discussions about UK rejoining the EU there are brits who don’t want to join as a “regular” member. They want to rejoin with some of the benefits they had before Brexit, they want special treatment. To me that says that British exceptionalism is still very much alive and kicking.
There is a simple way to solve the mess, it’s rejoining the EU. But Britain doesn’t want that so I think the “well, you voted for this, get fucked by your own greedy elites” (to put it in your words) still applies.