• nxfsi@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      The average lemming:

      • concerned about online privacy
      • strongly against digital surveillance
      • rides exclusively public transit where there is surveillance everywhere
      • TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com
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        1 year ago

        There are fundamental differences between physical and digital surveillance, namely when you are in a public space there is no expectation of privacy because there are other people there looking at you. When there are other people there that can actually see you, a camera also watching doesn’t make much of a difference.

        • notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          it does

          people usually doesn’t remember you unless you do some weird shit but once recorded, it will stay for the rest of eternity

          • unceme@lemmy.one
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            If you’re talking about standard security cameras usually the footage will get completely overwritten after afeew days unless there was an incident to prompt review of the footage-- and even then it usually gets deleted at some point. Its not like with social media data gathering where they’re collecting all that information in order to build a personal profile of everyone-- security cameras just exist to review incidents that happen in the public realm and there’s no real incentive for a public transit agency to track every single person that appears on their cameras.

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        1 year ago

        There’s cameras everywhere watching the road too if you really care that much and you better believe your car model and license plate is a much more reliable form of identifying information than a blurry face on a bus security camera.

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        1 year ago

        By ‘surveillance,’ do you mean a bus security camera to make sure no one is stabbing the driver? Because I’m pretty sure most of us don’t have much of a problem with that. It’s comprehensive government surveillance that is the problem.

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          Unfortunately, “camera to make sure no one stabs the driver” is the exact tool used by “comprehensive government surveillance”. It’s something we’re forced to accept.

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            I would like evidence that security cameras on buses are used by the government for comprehensive surveillance. I don’t even know how they would accomplish such a thing with a stationary camera in a bus.

      • coltorl@programming.dev
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        There is surveillance everywhere outside, even having your own car doesn’t protect you from having your privacy encroached. That’s why I never go outside.

        • nxfsi@lemmy.world
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          When does “you should minimize your physical footprint so that you are harder to profile by bad people” suddenly become “just stay inside at all times and never go out”?

          Even with digital privacy, nothing is 100% effective.

          • Cryptic Fawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            1 year ago

            When you decided to make an ignorant comment about public transportation.

            Obviously nothing is 100%. That’s a given and doesn’t need to be said.