So, I’m more conservative leaning (European wise) but everywhere I go - the communities are usually filled with so much hate. That I just avoid it.
Is there any place that I can go where there’s not so much based on hate but more on actual discussions and such?
Though, I have been told that - European wise, it is considered more leaning to left in eyes of US. So bit confused.
Note; please keep it civil.
EDIT: Thanks for the responses (even the hateful ones lol), I got the grasp of what I asked. I’ll look into the suggestions that were made.
EDIT 2: I LOVE how some of you are saying that conservatives are so hateful and yet here you are. Doing the exact same thing. Quite cute and ironic lol! That said if it makes you feel better to spew hate on Lemmy go ahead.
I always thought that the “left side” were open minded and friendly but seems I was wrong, at least here on Lemmy. I suppose, Lemmy become Reddit 2.0. In that way.
Good luck, there’s a reason that conservatism is inundated with hate.
It might be a lot easier to re-evaluate your own moral compass and realize that maybe if everyone you want to hang out with is full of hate, you need to find a new crowd.
Everyone is capable of grandstanding and shit-throwing. Politics just so happens to bring out the worst in people
“In most cases, those who want power probably shouldn’t have it, those who enjoy it probably do so for the wrong reasons, and those who want most to hold on to it don’t understand that it’s only temporary.”
― John C. Maxwell
It’s telling that OP will answer other *top comments, but not this one. Where you at, InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzero.com?
Uncertain why but your tag did not give an notification.
To the question, it is not that ‘’I want to hang out with other hateful people’’ In fact, I do not at all. Majority with who I spent time with (real life and online) are left-leaning.
I was just curious if there are any conservative place without the hate but, it seems not. I thought Lemmy was a bit different in the sense that, I could question such a thing but to my surprise – I cannot.
Majority here freaks out about the question and start to hate. You have an different opinion than the majority here? Hate and downvotes it will be, just like Reddit. Which is fine, it’s online and anonymity does its job (I suppose lol).
People here perceive me suddenly ‘’hateful & bigot’’ due to 1 different opinion and 1 question which is funny to be honest. Even more funnier with the fact that, I actually have friends who are in LGBTQ and/or are in different political mindset, religion etc. The ‘’issue’’ I’m having is that I do not really fit either of the spectrum. Not Left nor Right, each time I end up in the middle (Centrum right). Therefore I was wondering how the right-side would be without the focus on hating but it seems, no luck to that.
Hope this answers the question. If not, feel free to tell and I will retry to explain it.
You weren’t being downvoted for having a different opinion. You we’re being downvoted for being an asshole.
You truly seem to have a problem, you have been in this thread and throwing stuff here and there.
It’s quite the opposite, you are the problem. Fact is, you can hate like crazy, spam like crazy and it won’t do a thing.
My life goes on, I’ll still use Lemmy and I will still keep asking controversial things.
If I’m an “asshole” in your eyes, that’s totally fine! I’m serious and why? Because you’re just a mere stranger on the internet trying to hard to make a point while being overly aggressive.
This will be my last message to you & Good luck with life!
Why are you getting so defensive? You need to not make this so personal for yourself
Since you were unwilling to be open or direct with your beliefs (a hallmark of conservatism), I did you the favor of looking through your comment history to try and find the disconnect. And I did.
You seem just as insufferable as other conservatives, just more sexist than racist, which is not an improvement.
At the end of the day, the right is about abusing people infavor of financial gains and controlling their lives. Whatever justification they apply to it is irrelevant. In every country all over the planet, they use different reasons but the political right is always about controlling people.
So you’re looking for a community without hate, but your only willing to look at abusive communities. You’re not going to find it. You need to ask yourself, why are you a conservative and why do you still want to be part of them?
So, I’m goin to assume you’re talking about the comments on the thing with soccer? I still stand with it. If that’s not it, uncertain what you’re pointing to. If it sexism to say “we do not know everything as viewer”, well yeah. We got different mindset to that.
Looking at abusiveness communities, such as? I just meant that, most places are filled with hateful stuff and I’m unable to find one that’s not like that.
I commented on someone else which might explain why, I’m more leaning to the right ( at least I think that’s explain it, if not let me know).
It wasn’t that you didn’t believe her, its your complete dismissal of everyone who disagreed with you as “making it personal”. You behave like a stereotypical conservative. You act as though you’re the only person who can see it clearly and objectively, when it’s pretty obvious from the outside that you can only imagine the situation from his perspective.
I’m referring to all conservative communities as abusive. You can’t find one that isn’t hateful because that’s what conservatives are.
If you wanted to lay out some of your beliefs I could tell you generally where you would align stateside, but you seem to not want to actually discuss what you believe.
It is sexism to make it out to be a “he said she said” situation when a man says it was okay for him to kiss a woman and she says it was something she did not want. You disregard her personal autonomy when you say that him claiming she wanted it is as valid as her stating she did not.
If I hit you in the face with my fist claiming you wanted it, should I get off the hook since as you deem “no one can tell whether you wanted me to do it or not”?
For anyone wondering the “soccer incident” refers to his bad take on Luis Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso without permission.
EDIT: Fix a typo
Well honestly, you know my stance on it and now I know yours. However, I do not want to reopen that discussion on here, this thread was meant for something else.
If you do however for some reason want to continue, do so on that certain thread.
And yeah, for* anyone wondering. Just scroll thru my comment history, you’ll get there.
Damn. Savage…
Please don’t play such behaviors off as if they’re exclusively exhibited by conservatives. There’s plenty of said behavior by those identifying as progressives as well.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions and behaviors. Cancelation happens both ways. Its occurrence or lack thereof can be influenced but ultimately not controlled by the subject person.
I’m glad we agree that win/win situations exist, that life isn’t a zero-sum game as George Carlin (tongue-in-cheek, I hope) suggests in “Free-Floating Hostility.”
Yeah, you don’t want to talk about the things your obviously wrong about, we know. You o ly want to hear happy voices telling you you’re right.
But you you aren’t
I don’t need to wonder. I hear “I’m a conservative” and I already know you’re a waste of oxygen and carbon. Literally rocks from the ground are more useful and productive to society at large.
This sort of black-and-white thinking is what I hate the most about internet politics.
Thats weird, participants like you are what I hate the most about them
Such a wonderful message, I very well thank you for your kind words. Kind stranger! Couldn’t help but respond to you because you wasted your energy on this very stranger!
Nonetheless, I did not expect anything else when making this thread. I already expected to have some upset strangers. Which is okay! Kind of got the grasp of what I asked anyway.
Still hope you have a good day though.
Not going to agree with the commenter above, but I want to point out that this happens a lot:
A person who holds views that are detrimental to others comes to a community of those people and cries “why, when I am not quite like other people who hold these views, but agree with them on the detrimental stuff about you, do you not accept me?”
The people in the community try repeatedly to explain why holding views that harm others is harmful and that the person asking may need to revaluate their own views.
The person then says they’re being attacked. Everything they predicted about this community is coming true! They feel like they’re being kicked out!
And they are! Because when they came to engage then didn’t change, let alone evaluate, any of their own views, the community rightly showed them back to the door until they are ready to actually listen and put themselves in someone else’s shoes.
I am sure you feel like you have been badly treated at this point. What you do with that now is up to you. I’ll say this: I have no hate for you, I would like nothing more than to give you some feedback that might help change how you view some things. I hope there is enough food for thought here for everyone.
Well put, friend!
Thank you for your respectful explanation.
I must point out, however, that those in the community the dissenter joins don’t necessarily change their views, either. If we’re going to hand out blame, then it’s a double-edged sword.
I think their point is, the communities you’re looking for sound like they’re already here.
Oh look, a conservative that doesn’t belive in consent.
What a surprise.
Fair point. How about this:
Let’s compare the number of cases a conservative didn’t get consent vs the number of cases a non-consentual kiss brought someone back from clinical death 🙂
Oh look, a wokeist who thinks consent can be withdrawn retroactively.
What a surprise.
How fucking pathetic are you, did you just call him a “wokeist”? Is English not your native language?
English is indeed not my native language, but I don’t think there’s a standard term for people subscribing to the “woke” ideology.
I don’t think there’s a standard term for people subscribing to the “woke” ideology.
Empathic?
Decent?
Not a piece of shit?
There’s plenty to choose from.
Youre right, there isnt . There is a standard term for people who are against it though, we call them trash.
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What is there to disagree with? Women talking about assault and harassment? Yes, let’s go back to the good old days when we all pretended rape was fine or didn’t happen…
I honestly do not care about upvotes, downvotes and such. On Lemmy, it means nothing. If it ever does, I will treat it like Reddit. Only go to places that I enjoy, never discuss certain topics.
If people insult or are hateful, I will just ignore them. No point in discussion with such people.
I really don’t understand the reason of such a bitter and disrespectful response to a politely posed question. Shouldn’t leftists be more tolerant than their right wing counterpart? Or maybe people are starting to be so ill-tempered just because they are systematically losing all elections in Europe and US?
I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.
Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
I look for excuses to share this. I think you’ll like it.
That isn’t actually Popper. That is Marcuse.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse
That crappy cartoon gets shared a lot but it does not actually represent Popper’s views.
It is, however, A very accurate description of Marcuse’s views. It even looks like him!
Broken link man, no idea what you’re trying to share
Nuts. I’m sorry. It works for me, though, so I don’t know what to do. Maybe it pasted wrong. Try this: https://i.imgur.com/j2LnmH3.png
Imgur still says it doesn’t exist, might be my app
It’s there, I promise! I’ve linked to it before. Maybe their server is just being fussy.
If the left wants to be intolerant of a given group, that’s a fine, debatable position to have. In that case, however, it’s intellectually dishonest to refer to such a position as “tolerant.”
If “tolerance” tolerates intolerance, then who decides what is “tolerance” and “intolerance?”
Just admit who you don’t like and whose rights you want suppressed. Clearly the left has a problem with certain groups of people or they wouldn’t be beating up demonstrators of opposing ideals in an unprovoked manner.
the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
I thought the US Democratic party was “far right”?
I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke about something, but Republicans are far right, democrats are left of center.
I’m referencing the mantra that gets repeated a lot by Lemmy leftists that both parties in the USA are far right and Republicans are just slightly more far right.
Just slightly?
Shocking that a multiple time Trump voter’s highest level of discourse is a South Park clip. I’d feel bad for your parents, but they’re probably just as dumb
Notice how he’s only posting clips from made up media as his “arguments”, not anything remotely factual.
I know there are no facts to back up any of his feelings, I didn’t expect him to have anything better to contribute
When you can’t argue the point, attack the man.
The tolerance paradox applies to a purely theoretical situation, not to modern society where people have constitutional rights. All radicalisms are equally flawed and, personally, I prefer to deal with the “originals” rather than with spoiled youngsters who are pathetically trying to emulate the “tough” adults.
Well, I am a gray haired Gen X-er and fuck conservative fearmongering evil exploitative shit. The radical left youths warm my heart.
That’s a lot of words to say you want fascists in society.
No,I don’t want them. But they are there, though…
You let burglers into your house just because they’re in your yard?
No, but if the police can’t do enough, I install an alarm and defend my personal space. I don’t want to arrest all potential thieves beforehand because they have “thievous” opinions. I don’t want to argue online, anyway: your nested comment (with a parent that has gone down the list due to pagination) made me found a bug in a Lemmy client that I’m developing so I am really grateful to you 😂 Thanks 🙏
I don’t necessarily want fascists to be in society, but they should have a right to be there as long as they’re not actively hurting others.
Their ideology is based on hurting other people. How do you not get that? They cant exist peacefully.
If you’re ok with them being here, don’t be mad when I lump you in with them.
If they actively hurt other people, then they should obviously be punished. How does my comment imply otherwise?
The issue with the tolerance paradox is it gives way to thuggery once those with the most power decide what their idea of “tolerance” will and will not actually tolerate. That’s why we have a Bill of Rights. Call it intolerant, but name something that actually tolerates more (not just “progressive” or anarchist vlaues).
Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.
You mean that a few drunk people with guns are representative of a half of the country?
No, we mean your worthless-ass party. It was fun to watch a bunch of then surrender in Atlanta again though.
They are absolutely represtative of your party. They were led by your leader, your party wants them pardoned. You probably also believe some combination of them being both patriots AND a false flag.
You’re all idiots, and they represent you well.
What “my” party? I don’t live in the USA.
You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.
No, you don’t, but at that point you are no longer truly “tolerant.”
It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.
In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.
You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies in this specific case. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.
Being polite is pretty meaningless when you advocate against victims of harassment and sexual assault, wouldnt you agree? So why are we giving him credit in politely looking for allies when his political ideology is based in bigotry?
Also, read his old comments. He “politely” condescends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his stances. He “politely” tells them to not be emotional and just accept his view of things. Fuck him.
I don’t care if “it’s a good look”, I’m not trying to sugar coat truths for misogynists. What that party believed in the past is irrelevant, what they say and do now matters. It’s not a frustration with their change, its an unwillingness to respect them while they openly court fascism. Which, i think, is pretty damn reasonable.
You want to shame me for being rude to the right? I hope you’re used to be ignored. I’m not going to be a part of sowing division on the left, even when a conservative asks me to “politely”.
No, I’m not going to shame you. You’re right. It’s just that I set the bar VERY low when it comes to conservatives and their discussion methods.
I want to encourage civilized discourse, even if the views being expressed are highly problematic. I figure that the views themselves can’t be effectively addressed until the communication skills are ironed out. Discussion without an explosive tantrum is only a little bit of progress, but it is laying the groundwork for further progress. Baby steps.
Oh, and no, I hadn’t looked at their post history. Now I have. Yikes.
I have no intention of dignifying highly problematic views with civilized discourse.
I haven’t even been mean to him yet, all I called him was insufferable, which he is.
Fair. I certainly can’t blame you for being indignant over someone’s reprehensible opinions.
And I can admire your desire to want to better them
That’s a shame, because that’s how freedom of speech functions. It’s also a great way to show the world the higher road one chooses to walk when their opponents refuse.
I understand what you miss. So do I.
I’m pretty liberal, but I remember when American conservatism wasn’t so extreme and cruel (not obviously, anyway). Now, open hatred is used as a selling point.
Conservatism is something I usually disagreed with, but could at least respect. When I was younger, even then I couldn’t deny that there we a lot of smart conservatives. Sure, I had different opinions than they did, but I couldn’t just write them off as idiots or lunatics. They had good reasons for thinking they way they did. I usually thought they overemphasized or understated the importance of some root causes of an issue, but I couldn’t complain about their general thought processes.
Now, it just seems like an irrational shouting match. Whoever’s the loudest and most hateful “wins”.
I miss meaningful discussions, where the quality of ideas mattered. Some of the most important, most educational discussions I’ve had were with people who disagreed with me. Now, debates are laced with extremism, religion, and (worst of all) a total rejection of logic. They’re not valuable or thought provoking. They’re just exhausting, and something I tend to avoid.
The reason why conservatives of the past seem to be more reasonable is because there’s much more evidence (and easy ways to cite it) to refute their seemingly well-reasoned arguments.
In the past a conservative might say something like, “taxes on corporations are pointless; they’re just going to be passed on to consumers” and they could make a well-reasoned argument from simplistic economic principles.
These days when someone hears that argument they can just look online and find a zillion well-researched and cited articles pointing out how it’s a flawed position based on bad assumptions. Just looking at how changes in the tax code over time (massive reductions in corporate tax rates) have impacted the economy and the price of goods. Spoiler: Reducing taxes on corporations has two effects: It reduces tax revenues (obviously) and makes the rich (owners) richer. Changes in the tax code that increased taxes on corporations also had no impact on prices. In short, the entire idea falls flat on its face even though it seems like it would make sense.
They’re the same conservatives they’ve always been; refusing to change their beliefs despite the evidence. It’s also that we now know more about their beliefs and the more we know the more extreme they seem.
Conservatism has become a political package: By “voting conservative” (making it a part of their Identity) a person is signing on to conservatism as a whole. They may not believe everything their peers do (e.g. racism, xenophobia, sexism, violence, etc) but these things they do not agree with are not game changers. They may not believe that whites are a superior race but they’re OK with those people being on their team.
That’s interesting, because most examples of reasonable conservatism I can think of come from before the internet was widespread, which applies directly to the availability of evidence and the ease of citing it. Hmm!
The conservative hate of yesteryear was so much more respectable
This is maybe the only comment here that actually answers @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com question
Maybe to help put it in perspective for you, American Conservativism is very concerned with taking rights away from anyone who isn’t a financially stable, straight, Christian white man.
I’m not sure where a European conservative fits in the scale, and I’d love to learn if you’re willing to share, but when Americans hear conservative, our first thoughts are “Racist Nazi supporter”
Ouch, didn’t expect that.
I’m more traditional and well, Islamic/Muslim (I’m half European and half Arab).
However, I don’t care what anyone else does with their lives. I just live mine and that’s my business (as in why should I put my nose in someone’s else’s business).
It isn’t that I want right to be taken away, not at all. But I’d believe, if one does put hard work in it - the person can achieve it (almost always). I do also believe rights for everyone and not just a specific ethnicity/race etc.
I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, wife taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).
The thing is, I lean “centrum right” whenever - I’d official tests from my country. So, I’m curious how a non-hateful environment of conservatism is.
Do want to make a note that I genuine dislike nazism. The shit they done is awful, can’t even find the words to describe it.
Similar to the other poster you’re replying to, I am also American, and my statement will be colored by that experience. Fair warning.
I don’t think you’re a bad person. And that’s quite a statement, because there are a great many American conservatives that I can say with no reservations are objectively bad people. I think you teeter on the edge with the “traditional family” thing, because that’s extremely often a dog whistle for people that want to exterminate LGBT and trans folks, but at least based on your statements here it doesn’t seem like you’re in that camp.
I think you want to look elsewhere for your community, because conservatism as a movement, as a whole cares very little about what you care about (minding one’s own business, ensuring basic human rights regardless of ethnicity or other factors, personal reward for personal achievement) and cares very much about things you don’t seem to be on board with (repressive religious law, disenfranchisement or even outright kidnapping and murder of LGBT, racism, defrauding voters and government offices in order to line ones own pockets, ensuring deaths of vulnerable mothers via slashing legality of birth control or abortion methods) - just to name a few.
Conservatism, as a whole, is primarily rooted around having an in-group that can be pandered to and having an out-group that can be blamed. They are largely uninterested in proper governance and entirely uninterested in human rights. Every move that is made, is made in service of consolidating power at the cost of human life. In the words of respected political scientist Francis Wilhoit, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” This pattern can be observed over hundreds or thousands of years of human history.
If you want to find yourself on the right side of history the time is now. Leave the conservative circles behind and find one that actually espouses the ideas you care about. I doubt you’d find common ground in the sort of American Liberal circles that I find myself at home in, but there are options. There are as many political ideologies as there are people. But the more you attach yourself to one, the more they will in turn rub off on you.
I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, wife taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).
What if the family has two dads? Or two moms?
I honestly would not care since it is not my life. They’re happy? Good, let them be. None of my business.
It is true that my religion says it is wrong, however it is my religion. I believe in it, they don’t. So, who am I to bother them?
I would call that Socially liberal. Maybe, as others have already said, you should re-evaluate your political standing. You might not be as conservative as you think.
That’s an American-centric position. In Europe, there are right-wing parties that don’t oppose gay rights.
No, you’re right… some don’t openly oppose gay rights. Yet. They’re merely xenophobic racists.
Linguist Ruth Wodak has stated that the populist parties rising across Europe do so for different reasons in different countries. In an article published in March 2014, she divided these political parties into four groups: “parties [which] gain support via an ambivalent relationship with fascist and Nazi pasts” (in, e.g., Austria, Hungary, Italy, Romania, and France), parties which “focus primarily on a perceived threat from Islam” (in, e.g., the Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, Sweden, and Switzerland), parties which “restrict their propaganda to a perceived threat to their national identities from ethnic minorities” (in, e.g., Hungary, Greece, Italy, and the United Kingdom), and parties which “endorse a fundamentalist Christian conservative-reactionary agenda” (in, e.g., Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria).[8] According to The Economist, the main attraction of far-right parties in the Scandinavian countries is the perception that their national culture is under threat.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe#:~:text=Right-wing or far-right,Democrats)%20and%20in%20Serbia%20(United
You sound like a social liberal, economic conservative.
To be clear - being socially liberal doesn’t mean that you want to be LGBTQ. It doesn’t mean that you want to be atheist. It just means that you believe other people should be allowed to be that. So you can still be Muslim and have a traditional family and still be considered socially liberal.
As for your question, that’s quite tough. American Democrats are, politically speaking, probably the closest group of people I can think of. But somehow, people think that Democrats are socialist, so your mileage may vary
Well, you’re not like any conservative I’ve ever spoken with. At least not in the America sense of the word- maybe it’s different in a European context.
I tend to drop basically every political topic with anyone that actually identifies themselves that way. In my experience that is not going to lead to any kind of pleasant conversation or debate so I just don’t engage.
“Non-hateful conservative” basically reads like an oxymoron to me.
Do you believe that family should have all the same rights, protections and support your “traditional” family has?
Yes, I do. I mean, just because they have different values and such than me - doesn’t mean they’re bad. We are all humans, we all deserve the same rights, protection and support.
Kind of surprised with the questions though, while I’m just looking for an community.
You’re already aware the sites have a liberal slant. What you might not be aware of is the plethora of “conservatives that don’t hate” that turn out to be fucking awful bigots that come to these places and try to stir shit up. The questions are to weed out whether you’re genuine or one of the awful bigots.
That being said, you seem genuine enough to me. However you seem like you might still be somewhat impressionable and I’d caution you in looking for a “more conservative community”. Those tend to be hotbeds for recruitment and indoctrination.
I’d ask, what do you think you’ll get from a more conservative community that the more easily found liberal communities cannot offer?
Apologies for the late reply, was a sleep.
I was kind of hoping to find same-minded people, however seems I’m out of luck. I wasn’t expecting anything special though. And that explains it, questions.
Like I mentioned on someone’s else’s comment, when doing official country tests - it gives me “centrum right” and thus wanted to know how a non-hateful environment of the right was.
I’m NOT* here to stir stuff up, the question was genuine and it seems I got the grasp of it.
I quite much feel that, I don’t fit in neither left nor right. I’ll look into something what another commenter, commented about. Social Liberal.
Edit: correction, including “not”.
As others already did I also would challenge your (purely) conservative tag. One of the most prominent “features” of current conservatives is to remove support and even legal standing of non-traditional families.
Yeah, I don’t agree with that. Everyone deserves support, protection and a happy life.
Just because I don’t have the same values/mindset as them, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve support. They do deserve it.
I commented somewhere else in this thread. It seems that I don’t fit in either left nor right wing. But whenever doing the official test of my country, I keep getting “centrum right”.
I might suggest Islam focused groups. You’d probably agree with a majority of the people there, and religious communities are typically more supportive of each other than political communities.
You are right - I feel bit stupid for not thinking about that. I’ll look into it.
Wait. You want to live in a traditional family structure, or you want to impose it on everyone else?
I am in a heterosexual marriage, with many children. But I don’t think it’s the only way to live and don’t judge others for arranging their lives differently. So I am liberal/progressive.
And I personally feel lucky to be alive at all, and do not think anyone deserves anything. But the unfairness baked into the system here distorts the world. You could only be ‘conservative’ in the sense of thinking people get what they work for, in a world where everyone had the same starting line and tools. We don’t live in that world.
I would not describe that as conservative? The family across the street from us is like that & they strike me as more progressive. At least in the US the conservatives are not at all live and let live. It’s kind of the point, really - they believe in strictly imposed social order more than freedom.
I think looking for religious spaces on the internet might work better for what you are looking for - if living like that has improved your life & you want to share it, that makes sense. It just doesn’t make you conservative, in a political sense, which is what you will find under the label conservative. Conservative is wanting everyone to get in line and live like you.
I personally prefer traditional but not impose it to others. What others do is not my concern, not my life. So, I don’t care what they do.
The entire thing for this thread was, finding a conservative place to see if I would fit without the hate it has. Whenever I do official political tests from my country, I end up “Center-right. Thus I was curious.
I appreciate the candid responses, and I don’t have a solution for you, but the question is an interesting one. Most of the ‘conservative’ people I know who are not interested in the typical hate-filled conservative politics seem to be invested in family and religious pursuits - home-schooling, church volunteering, support groups sometimes - things like that.
If those are of interest, there are likely to be communities that talk about them (or you could start one). However, when it comes to conservative politics, the actual money and laws that those same people support with their votes and donations - that’s pretty hateful stuff, and most of it boils down to some kind of sexism, racism, classism, or something like that.
You might try looking for more academic areas where a particular teaching, theory, or philosophy is being discussed. But daily news items about conservative politics are going to be full of high emotion because a lot of wrongs are being done every day to people and things that deserve better.
Good luck!
Maybe if you be more specific about your stances on policies, it would be easier to find you a group.
Any hyper focused group, especially one that has an excluded “other”, will form a totem idea of that other and unreasonably become extremely against that totem. So hate spirals out of control. This occurs on either ends of the political spectrum. It can happen with sports teams vs their rivals.
CGP Grey made a video a number of years ago explaining such things better. https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc.
Conservatives typically do not like discussion or debate because it forces them to look at the status quo and ask hard nosed questions. Try the religious forums - Islam, Christianity or any communities focused on nationalism. I imagine that’s where such people hide.
Also, European conservatives are usually just as bigoted as their north American brethren. The major difference is that they may be less religious.
Lemmy is a cesspool for politics. Of all flavours. Hell, most of the internet is. Lemmy is especially left slanted though. I wouldn’t look for anything remotely right wing here. Hell I wouldn’t look for anything politically flavoured. All you’ll find is Lemmygrad, Hexbear and Exploding Heads. All awful cesspools of different flavours.
Lemmy is a cesspool for politics. Of all flavours. Hell, most of the internet is
Because politics itself is a cesspool.
Well you certainly aren’t wrong about that.
I think a lot of it comes from people wanting to share their opinion, but not wanting to understand the opposing opinion. The objective isn’t to persuade, to educate, to reach it a workable understanding - the objective is to emote, throw some blame around, or just drive by opinions.
There’s a ton of brigading going on, everywhere, but here too.
Define conservative and hate
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All political subs are full of hate. Pseudonymous social media just isn’t a good venue for that kind of discussion.
Gab is a fork of Mastodon where conservatives flock. Yes, there are a lot of neo-Nazis, but you aren’t exposed to it for long unless you want to be.
Jeebus… ‘I’m only in the mood for a little bit of Nazism today, i won’t log for long’
I think the parent meant that you can quickly block all the Nazis and be done with them forever?
Ah, so you won’t hear any Nazis directly. You’ll just get second hand Nazism from people that are totally comfortable conversing with neo-Nazis. Yeah that’s much better.
What the fuck is “second-hand Nazism”?
Which part is confusing you? You seem well acquainted with Nazism so I’ll assume it’s the “second hand” part.
A definition of ‘second hand’ is ‘indirect’ or ‘from an intermediate source’. Ergo, in my comment i meant they would be getting talking points from people who don’t think they’re Nazis but converse frequently with Nazis.
Does that clear it up for you?
I’m not acquainted with Nazism.
Why would you think conversing with Nazis makes people spread their talking points to others?
Just gonna pretend that the rest of the thread doesn’t exist, are you?
We’re talking about the high number of neo-nazis on Gab and their influence on Gab in general. Could someone have a conversation with a Nazi about the weather? Maybe, but the odds of the phrase “Jewish space lasers” coming up is significantly higher than in a conversation with someone who isn’t a Nazi.
But to be clear, i did not say “conversing with Nazis makes people spread their talking points to others”. I said they would be getting talking points from Nazis. Nothing is “making” people spread Nazism.
I blocked all political / political meme instances. Lemmy is as much of a cesspool from both sides as reddit was.
Here is a conservative lemmy community https://communities.win/c/TheDonald
