• jet@hackertalks.com
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    Why does Hamas need Israel’s agreement to release hostages? Can’t they release them to the Egyptian border guards at Rafah border crossing in the South?

    Even if they can’t release them to Egypt, they could put them at the border, and tell the news agencies hey these are hostages being released, and put a live video feed on them standing at the border. I promise you Egypt would not leave them standing there indefinitely. The media coverage alone would get them to at least take the hostages over the border.

    Hell, they could take them to a UN compound and release them into the custody of the UN.

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      Because that way they won’t be able to extort goods and services for the hostages … so sad seeing good hostage wasted…

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        In this press release Hamas said they tried to release more prisoners but Israeli wouldn’t accept them.

        If Hamas is being genuine, there shouldn’t be any tit for tat on a humanitarian hostage release.

        I’m just trying to demonstrate how The Hamas statement feels demonstrably disingenuous. Because they have other options.

        Hamas is not a good actor, the plight of the people in the Gaza strip does not helped by Hamas being such a bad actor.

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          From what I understand they released two hostages via the Red Cross and things went fine. I think Hamas willing to return hostages is a good thing. Why won’t Israel take them up on it despite them already releasing two? Most likely imo because Israel’s long term goals include genocide and their handling of the hostage situation so far has been shit.

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            I think the balance of probability is demonstrates that’s Hamas is lying here. If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border. To claim that they need Israelis agreement, and support to release a hostage is extremely disingenuous.

            Honestly, it sounds like they’re just trying to get a sound bite for propaganda purposes. It doesn’t matter that it’s obviously a lie, the people who can see it’s a lie aren’t the ones the propaganda’s for.

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              . If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border.

              They did drop two hostages to the Red Cross just 2 days ago.

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                Great. Why can’t they do that again? Why press release that Israel is preventing them from releasing two more hostages with no strings attached?

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                  No one said or suggested they can’t do thart again. It’s saying Israel doesn’t want to cooperate.

                  I don’t want to believe Hamas straight away but Israel is the one with the track record of lies.

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                    My point is, why does it matter if Israel cooperates or not? There’s many places to release the hostages to that aren’t Israeli.

                    So this press release, and the implication of it, looks like straight propaganda based on a lie.

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                    Internally, Netanyahu can’t afford to reject any semi reasonable offer. He also wants to be able to say he did anything positive. He’ll hopefully be crucified no matter what, but in his eyes nothing is his fault and he’s working hard at getting points for any achievement and blaming everything and anyone in the past millenia.

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      you make everything look simple. I’m slightly fascinated. then I get back into reality and I remember there’s a cruel, blind war, and huge interests and plans going far over the borders of Isreal and Gaza.

      the spiraling hate between parts? ah! silly them! “why they don’t just…”

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        It’s not simple. But it does demonstrate hamas is lying about their willingness to release two hostages no strings attached.

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          again you’re oversimplifying things, with these black and white statements. extremely dangerous, extremely…

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            How are they not lying? If they want to release two hostages they have a variety of options that don’t involve Israel. They could drop them off at the Egyptian border, they could drop them off at the Red Cross, they could drop them off at any of the UN compounds.

            They’re unwillingness to release two hostages is completely on them. For them to try to blame Israel is disingenuous, and clearly a lie.

            But I’m open to being wrong, how is Hamas prevented from releasing two hostages right now? What prevents them from dropping them off at the Red Cross or any of the UN compounds right now today?

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              I think that trying to rationalize the behavior of two xenophobic, nationalist, religious fundamentalist far right parties it’s just a sterile exercise, often practiced (can’t rightly say if that’s your will, too) to leave out of the discourse one of these two parties, to implicitly side with one of them. that’s all I have to say. have a good day

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                Have a good day.

                I think we’ve demonstrated conclusively hamas’s lying at least about this.

                Israel’s lying about many things as well, but that’s not what the articles about.

                I welcome you to show me where my logic is incorrect any time in the future when you have the bandwidth.