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    He’s completely missing the point. His party, and their front-runner in one of the states went all in on that whole “deportation/migration” stuff and still lost hard in the elections.

    And now, they interpret that as “I guess we just didn’t imitate the conservatives enough” instead as “leftist people won’t vote for you if you abandon your principles” and double down even more.

    A leftist party can’t win over conservatives voters by imitating conservatives, but it sure can loose leftist voters by that.

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          Well, I used to like some of their (die Linke) contributions. But lately, I don’t consider them a viable party to vote for. I don’t have a well founded opinion on Sarah Wagenknecht. But now that like 20 people vote for the Linke, I don’t consider it an issue if someone takes away a few of their voters. They’re kind of meaningless anyways.

          Sometimes I look at the USA and wonder if that’s our destiny. A government without participation of social democrats and the parties who have that in their name being more incompetent than anything of value to the citizens…

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            I hope that’s not what’s to come. I think because our parlimentary system allows for multiple parties (i.e. > 2) we have the advantage that a true social democrat party always has the chance to rise and achieve a ruling coalition. It isn’t perfect, but I think it’s a better system.

            But regarding die Linke, I dont think they were ever a viable party to vote for. They’ve supported actual terrorists and Wagenknecht is Sarah Palin level crazy.

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              Yeah, I was more referring to them doing the opposition and occasionally speaking up for the citizen in things like child care, taxes and how to treat the people who are not well off. Sometimes surveillance and stuff. I guess I like someone doing that. But you’re right, they always had that mixed with some strange ideas.

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      The SPD hasn’t been leftist since Schröder, anyone still voting for them over believing they are has missed way more than one train.

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        They haven’t been leftist since they helped the nazis to power almost 100 years ago by now.

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          You could argue that, too. But they have been much further left than they are now between the end of WW2 and Schröder.

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      A leftist party can’t win over conservatives voters by imitating conservatives, but it sure can loose leftist voters by that.

      Yes, it can.

      I’m not sure I’d call the Social Democrats in either country country “leftist” (they’re center-left and the “center” portion is more relevant), but it’s fairly likely that the Scholz’ party copying the Danish route would work. The issue is that the SPD’s approach is that it was half-hearted. If you want to win over xenophobes you have to mean it. For now the assumption with voters is that Scholz and the other SPD people are all bark and no bite.

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    I fully support Scholz on enforcing the law. For example CumEx is a wondefull case, where all the bankers and their helpers should be locked up for defrauding German taxpayers.

    However that might be a bad move for him.

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    Olaf Scholz is a criminal who tried to help fraudulent bankers to get away with a 150.000.000 Euro scam. When questioned he claimed he conveniently could not remember. It is Scholz who should be deported - to prison!

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      Don’t forget he instituted torture methods as minister of the interior for Hamburg. Shortly before an election, trying to win by occupoying there their points. That failed of course.
      Similarities to the current tactics by him are of course purely coincidental.

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    Fuck you Scholz. It sucks but is expected of SPD. What sucks even more is even the greens push this inhuman agenda here now.

    Never forget that Brechmittel Scholz had police torture people with emetics when he was a major.

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    This is just Scholz pandering to the right because he has absolutely no policies of his own and wants to get re-elected.

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    Interesting. The balance of opinion in this thread is mostly one-sided but in the opposite direction to the R-site.

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    I like people who are doing counter arguments and deploying whataboutism, that or they don’t even live in Germany. You would be quick to change your mind or consider otherwise too if you would be stared down, spat on, and knifed down the street too. It is what it is, Islamic people quite often don’t integrate well into the west. I had my fair share of struggles with non European immigrants as well.

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      No.

      1. Europe is responsible for crisis in other parts of the world, which leads to migration in the first place. Germany as one of the wealthiest nations in the EU has a special responsibility for migrants and asylum seekers.
      2. Even from a plain economical standpoint Germany needs migrant workers.
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        Can you explain how Germany is solely responsible for every crisis in the world?

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        Germany does not need migrant workers. The Labour shortage is a lie cooked up by corporations, the media and politicians. The real shortage is in wages and working conditions.

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          You have seen the age pyramid of Germany?

          Unless some Nazi Style Lebensborn „German breeding“ is started, we of course need quite a lot of immigrants.

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            we of course need quite a lot of immigrants.

            Well, to be more precise: We need a lot of people willing and able to work in elder care and certain other professions. Unfortunately that does not appear to be the case for many people who fled countries like Syria. In 2021 65% of Syrians in Germany were still on welfare. link in German

            Economically speaking refugees from countries like Syria cost more than they bring in. Now, that’s not a good reason to end the right to asylum - old people are even more expensive, don’t work and we’re not talking about abandoning them - and of course better policies could lead to a higher share of refugees actually working, but with current policies the economy isn’t an argument in favor of accepting refugees.

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        Europe is responsible for crisis in other parts of the world, which leads to migration in the first place. Germany

        Germany was steadfastly opposed to the Iraq war. A fairer solution would be that European countries which joined that war, like Poland and the UK, take all the Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They helped cause the problem, it’s only fair that they should help solve it.

        from a plain economical standpoint Germany needs migrant workers

        Ukrainians are highly educated and motivated. Employment rates in some EU countries are as high as 40%. I’m afraid that you can’t say the same about some of the migrants Europe fails to deport.

        If there’s a choice between someone who never learnt to read, versus someone who knows advanced calculus, it makes no sense to choose the former. Especially as they’re less likely to have problematic political views.

        If there’s a choice between someone who is genuinely fleeing persecution, or someone who escaped a Tunisian jail and went on to murder people because he wasn’t deported after his request for asylum was refused, that’s also an easy choice.

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          Germany was steadfastly opposed to the Iraq war. A fairer solution would be that European countries which joined that war, like Poland and the UK, take all the Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They helped cause the problem, it’s only fair that they should help solve it.

          Cause the Iraqi war is where history starts and the only cause of migration?

          Some of the states around the world have deep problems from events that happened far in the past. Specifically colonisation has played a role here.

          Additionally, if Europe wants to reduce migration, it should invest in the areas that see high migration, instead of dropping a bag of cash at the nearest African dictator to “take care” of Europe’s problems or forcing developing countries in even greater debt and problems through conditionality via the IMF and World Bank.

          At the same time will we only see an increasing demand for labour and instead of being the populist now, we should establish proper immigration systems.

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        No. Who we deemed doesn’t belong here will be shown the Door you can’t just blame other countries problems on us, and even if, running away wont fix that.

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          Rejected asylum just means that there is no humanitarian reason why they couldn’t return to their home country, not that they couldn’t fit into Europe.

          For example, I know a young man who came here from Tajikistan. His asylum request was rejected, but because that process took so long, he had already built up a whole life here. He has a lot of local friends, a girlfriend and a got full education in gastronomy, where he is working full time. He got a special permit to remain here due to support from local people.

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          you can’t just blame other countries problems on us

          You can, if they happened to be caused by us. Which they are. From propping up authoritarian leaders for cheap resources to being main contributers to the climate crisis

          Also how is Germany not deporting undesireable people already? There are processes for this in play already. What part of it exactly do you think is lacking? Most people who are for more deportations have no idea how the process works, what the criteria or problems with it are at all. All they know is that they want more. Doesn’t matter if it actually solves any problems or not.

          (Turns out you can’t really deport more people faster without undermining basic principles of the rule of law or because the states to deport to are not willing to cooperate in the first place (and why would they?))

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      No he isn’t. German politicians have been making those kinds of bullshit promises for decades and nothing has changed. Because reality is more complex than xenophobic slogan screeching assholes will have you believe.